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Category Creation

Calendar Category?

Maybe we can have a category for pages relating to special Calendar pages. Anyone else think this is a good idea, or am I just obsessing over creating categories? --Athamasha 18:53, 5 Dec 2004 (GMT)

You're obsessing.  :) I think there may be one more article in the whole wiki that mentions a national calendar. Since we're trying to keep Categories limited to national factbooks and/or widely shared concepts, I don't see the need at this point. Maybe this discussion with bring dozens more out of the woodwork ... but I somehow doubt it. → Fris Θtalk 19:08, 5 Dec 2004 (GMT)
Okay. This is why I ask instead of just going ahead... --Athamasha 22:52, 5 Dec 2004 (GMT)

WTF Category?

While categorizing some of our articles I occasionally stumble across a WFT is this all about? article. I usually drop a note to the author on their Talk page, but with anonymous editors that doesn't always work. The current batch includes Strange gas and Special material. Do we want a special category for those oddball articles that aren't really national or regional, except that in some crazy way maybe they are? → Fris Θtalk 20:57, 6 Dec 2004 (GMT)

Sounds good to me. Maybe then people can do research on them and try and figure out what they are. I would recommend calling it the "Mystery Pages" category or something rather than "WTF." --Athamasha 21:37, 7 Dec 2004 (GMT)
Further possible names: obscurities; inscrutabilities; perplexities Rechze(talk)
On further reflection, this one isn't really needed. Special:Uncategorizedpages is adequate to the task. → Fris Θtalk 14:31, 23 Dec 2004 (GMT)

Documents Category

Any documents that are situated on the wiki, do not seem to fit under any other category. I have seem at least six 'consitutions' that would fit uner this category, and therefore propose its creation. Rechze(talk) 03:09, 17 Dec 2004 (GMT)

I'm fine with them just being left in national factbooks, but I wouldn't argue strongly against the concept. Documents might be too much of a catch-all name, as we already have a Category:Treaties. → Fris Θtalk 14:31, 23 Dec 2004 (GMT)
On further thought, considering that documents are fixed items, ie. not to be changed, any actual texts of documents such as entire constitutions should not be on the wiki, but just linked, considering their nature. Rechze(talk) 00:36, 30 Dec 2004 (GMT)

Population Updates... Well, not needed

Topic moved to Community decisions

Can't Upload Graphics

I can't seem to be able to upload any files. I keep trying to upload the electoral symbol of the Communist Party of Constantinopolis, and I get the error: Could not copy file "/tmp/phpokoP44" to "/home/sc434/ns/wiki/images/c/c4/Communist_Party_of_Constantinopolis.gif". -- Constantinopolis 14:56, 15 Oct 2004 (GMT)

Uploads ought to work - I'll look into it when I get home. Possibly a naming problem? --Goobergunch|? 17:57, 15 Oct 2004 (GMT)
Okay, it's a PHP safe mode problem, which I can do very little about. I'd have to get Servage to fix it, which might not be that easy. --Goobergunch|? 19:57, 18 Oct 2004 (GMT)

One is able to place a picture -which is hosted from another web site- on an article, simply by putting it's address, like so (go to edit to see how I have done this if you do not know):


I belive this to be sufficient until the upload dilemma is resolved. Rechze 12:39, 31 Oct 2004 (GMT)

Depending upon your PHP configuration, version and whether it's loaded as a CGI program/Apache module, you may be able to disable local safe mode by adding "php_value safe_mode Off" to your .htaccess file. I was unable to get it to work on my own webserver, but it is said to work elsewhere. --The Mindset 12:54, 26 Nov 2004 (GMT)
Okay, I double checked my sources and it turns out this was a bug in an old version of PHP, so probably won't be able to help you. --The Mindset 20:06, 27 Nov 2004 (GMT)


Category Creation

The following Primary Categories are now available on the Main Page:

Nations | Regions | Alliances | Characters | Wars | History | Factbooks | UN | NationStates

Historic Nations | Corporations | Languages | Religions | Hardware | Species | Roleplay | Sports Roleplay | Gameplay | NSwiki

In addition to that, any nation that has multiple nation-specific pages should have a Factbook (Category:Factbooks) so we don't have a bunch of unknown, uncategorized pages floating around the wiki. If most of your NS or NSwiki activity is based around a region (BookCrossing, Projekt Myra) or an alliance (CACE, GDODAD), make that your factbook instead.

There are also another half dozen minor categories available in Category:Roleplaying, some of which may be superfluous or convertable to something more general (Currency → Economics ?). I'm thinking we shouldn't be adding any more primary categories (or for that matter, secondary) without discussing them here first. I'd also like see it become official NSwiki policy.

Comments? Questions? Suggestions? → Fris Θtalk 18:01, 29 Oct 2004 (GMT)

I'd like to see a voluntary limitation on the use of Categories. The way I see it, almost anything related to your nation/region/alliance is fair game for a factbook, but the broader categories don't enjoy the same freedom. For instance, if you have a history of Wars outside of NS roleplay, they can go in your factbook, but not in Category:Wars. Even though you roleplayed every bit of your history, none of it should be added to Category:Roleplaying. Those ... ummm ... Master Topics should be reserved for things that have a general relationship to the topic, and appeal to a wide variety of players and readers. If two nations rp a war on IRC or via offsite forums, that particular war could justifiably be placed in both player's factbooks, but shouldn't be added to Wars. Other categories like Sports roleplaying, might have a smaller but intense population ... but I still don't want to see every nation that participates in Sport RP added to the category.
The thing about categories is that we already have nearly two hundred of them, and the Factbooks are intermingled with the General Interest categories. If we start creating new Cats for every subdivision possible in this quasi-fictional world, no one will ever be able to keep up with them. As the sysop self-appointed to categorizing all the lost articles, I appeal to you - please limit your categories, and don't add unnecessary categories to your articles. Thanks. → Fris Θtalk
What about Category:History? If I create an article about an historical event, should I put Category:History down the bottom as well as Category:Pantocratoria? --Pantocratoria 10:49, 6 Dec 2004 (GMT)
Virtually everything in the wiki is a historical document of some sort. I'd leave Category:History alone except for articles that collect all the historical information in one page ... "A Short History of Pantocratoria", that sort of thing. Most people put that on their main nation page, but for some it's an elaborate series. I'd say, "one page => Category:History" , "Several pages => National factbook". I wouldn't use both. → Fris Θtalk 21:01, 6 Dec 2004 (GMT)


Character Subcategories?

Should Category:Characters be subdivided? It seems to be getting distressingly large. I'd suggest adding subcategories for specific types of characters. (Gods, AIs, immortals, nonhumans of particular species, et cetera.) --Khrrck 03:51, 4 Jan 2005 (GMT)

I don't know about Gods and immortals, but I could potentially see separating out the historic (non-playing characters) from the actively roleplayed characters. The chief problem is that we have tied Category:Characters to the standard character template, Infobox_Character. If we start recategorizing, we're going to have to create a bunch of new templates and/or alter a ton of individual pages.
I don't see as much of a problem from a "distressingly large" category as Khrrck seems to. Greater subcategorization might make sense in Wikipedia where people are likely to seek out related topics, but here I think readers are more prone to follow links within articles than to seek enlightenment by reading an entire category. It's confusing enough for new users as it is - adding new infoboxes or requiring every new contributor to understand a complicated categorization strategy strikes me as a lot more work for relatively little benefit. → Fris Θtalk 04:48, 4 Jan 2005 (GMT)
I think that Category:Sports characters is an example of what a good Category:Characters sub-category is about. Sports characters are very, very rarely RPd outside of Sporting threads, and they are easily lost within the all-encompassing uber-Cat of Characters. There are also enough of them to warrant a sub-category (58 at the last count), are there actually enough articles on individual Gods, AIs and such to make such a sub-cat worthwhile? - Starblaydia 12:43, 3 Jun 2005 (GMT)
I don't see why we couldn't have a few general sub-categories along those lines. Say one for religious characters, one for military characters, politicians, celebrities etc etc GreatGodOm 22:09, 2 Jul 2005 (GMT)

NGO Category

We have Category:Corporations for our for-profit organizations, Category:Agencies for our intra-governmental organizations, but we don't really have anything for non-government, non-profit groups like Trade Unions and such. While there isn't much need for one at the moment, it was suggested that a new category might be helpful towards inspiring the creation of those sorts of articles. → Fris Θtalk 14:31, 23 Dec 2004 (GMT)

UN commitees subcategory?

Why not put a UN commitees [1] subcategory? I had edited several of them, then they could be categorizated in a sub-category, to be more readable in the UN one. Rufus T. Firefly 17:02, 16 Apr 2005 (GMT).

Corporation sector sub-category?

It is a good idea to divide corporations with original sector from the game? (IT, automobile manif, basket weaving...) Because now it is very difficult to find which are on a sector instead another... Rufus T. Firefly 17:02, 16 Apr 2005 (GMT)

While it might be useful to sub-divide the Corporations category, using the in-game sectors might not be a good idea—my nation has many major corporations that don’t fit into any of those categories (military organizations, which certainly don’t fit, news media, which might be considered Information Technology, package delivery and postal services, et cetera). Commerce Heights 20:37, 23 Apr 2005 (GMT)

Political subcategory for parties?

We have 58 parties, but I think that a division in different ideal subcategory could be useful, also in order to create international organization (like the Comintern and similar). What do you think about it? Rufus T. Firefly 07:50, 31 May 2005 (GMT)

Something like a Comintern would make a good subcategory, but only if it already exists on or around NS. Creating a subcategory with the intention of having political parties mentioned on the wiki join it is a little bit of cart-before-the-horse engineering, I think. - Starblaydia 12:03, 31 May 2005 (GMT)

UN Delegate Subcategory/List

Perhaps UN Delegates should go in a category for easy reference by proposal proposers? Or is this already somewhere? It seems like the in-game one is a bit hard to use. → Ceo\squawk 05:37, December 12, 2005 (GMT)

Mmm...I can't see it really helping. The game one is sorted by region; this would be sorted by name. Other than that, much difference? Plus, the game one is automatically updated; this would get out of date pretty soon. Finally, fairly few delegates have pages on here, out of the 2,000 that exist. As such, it wouldn't be that useful anyway. I'd say: probably not. I'd be interested to hear other community opinions, though. Gruen2alk 06:55, 12 December 2005 (GMT)
I've tried to keep lists of friendly UN Delegates on the IDU off-site forums, but some regions change their delegates a few times a year. The idea is good, but I don't see an easy way to keep things up to date. That said, it couldn't hurt to have an article listing current and past UN Delegates that have had NSWiki pages, if you feel people might be interested in that sort of thing (and they might). But I'd limit such a page to only UN Delegates that have Wiki entries. Mikitivity 20:23, 12 December 2005 (GMT)
Yes, I was just thinking something along the lines of a category:UN Delegates, which could be just stuck onto the end of a page. Might not be feasible, though. → Ceo\squawk 22:24, December 12, 2005 (GMT)

Altering the Infobox for nations

Is there any way one can alter the Infobox (I hope I'm remembering the term correctly) that one uses to make one's nation's page? Specifically, any way to remove the links to the various so-called calculators? Trokenyan 01:18, 6 Jun 2005 (GMT)

I figured out how to add a blocker to this some time ago, but it was disabled again by changes to the MediaWiki software (Version 1.4 beta, as I recall). See NSwiki talk:Info boxes for details of how it used to work. If the authors figure out the fix to restore nested templates, I will gladly reinstate the 'blocker'. → Fris Θtalk 00:09, 7 Jun 2005 (GMT)
I'm tempted to find the old version of the appropriate bit of code and reinstate it; I've got all of the old copies of MediaWiki saved on my computer. Unfortunately, it's on the other computer (the one that's not a laptop and that I won't turn on during a thunderstorm) and I won't be on much until Thursday due to a trip to Avalon, New Jersey. --Goobergunch|? 00:34, 7 Jun 2005 (GMT)
I'd appreciate restoring this option. It's either that, or not use the template at all, as I refuse to have "advertisements" for the self-so-called calculators on my page. Trokenyan 23:03, 8 Jun 2005 (GMT)
Just make yourself a custom infobox and you can put whatever you like in it. For instance see the box on my nation article. . - Starblaydia 11:00, 9 Jun 2005 (GMT)
You could always place the code for the current generic infobox directly into the article, and remove the links to the economic calculators for your specific instance (generic infobox template found here:Template:Infobox_Nation). Rechze(talk) 11:55, 9 Jun 2005 (GMT)

Starblaydia -- the table at the top of your article is simply HTML. Can you, or anyone else, tell me how much HTML can be used in a page? I'm much more used to that. Rechze -- I had to stare at that page, and swear, and fiddle around with it, before I found the "view source" tab. I had no idea one could find the actual markup code for the various info boxes. At least now I'll be able to adjust the info box. Now if someone could point me to a tutorial on the actual markup code used in wikis, I'd be extremely grateful. And no, I don't mean stuff like Page_editing, I mean an explanation of stuff like GenericInfoBox. If I could learn wiki markup code, I wouldn't have to keep complaining like this. ;) Trokenyan 06:41, 12 Jun 2005 (GMT)

I've developed a possible fix. Replace "Infobox Nation" with "Infobox Nation sans" and replace "Infobox Region" with "Infobox Region sans" in the applicable part of the template. The addition of the word "sans" should repress the calculator links. --Goobergunch|? 17:57, 19 Jun 2005 (GMT)

Anybody have any problem with me doing a facelift on the infoboxes? Yes, I'm the responsible one for jazzing up the FAC and Featured templates. ;) --Pacitalkia 04:27, 15 November 2005 (GMT)

Corporation box

I think that put in the box of corporation (like in the character one) the space for the logo could be cool. As you can see in all of the Freedonian corporations, now the logo is on the left of the page but it looks not so nice. Rufus T. Firefly 20:07, 11 Jun 2005 (GMT)


Why not put a field for the coat of Arms? I'm bored to have a frame in the left of the page. Rufus T. Firefly 10:44, 16 August 2005 (GMT)

I do not know about coat-of -arms, but I would like to see flag sections in the city and province infoboxes. Also, I say flag, not coat-of-arms, because not many provinces/cities odentify themselves with a coat-of-arms, but everythiing has a flag these days. Swilatia 17:41, 26 December 2005 (GMT)

I don't think it's feasible to change the main infobox, as it's in use in so many places. However, a generic "image" field might be a good compromise, with a "caption" to say what it is, whether a flag, a coat of arms, a seal, a photograph, whatever. → Ceo \ squawk 18:04, 26 December 2005 (GMT)

A generic image field that could be used for either a flag or coat of arms would be cool. Would it be possible to include text that suggested that the field was for a city logo, and not a city map? Mikitivity 22:46, 27 December 2005 (GMT)

I added a flag field, but of course you can also use it for a a coat of arms, a seal, a photograph, whatever. I hae yet to do this to the province infobox. Swilatia 23:22, 26 December 2005 (GMT)

I don't think that was a good idea. The problem is that now, all of the pages on the wiki using the city infobox are disrupted by the addition of another variable.→ Ceo \ squawk 23:23, 27 December 2005 (GMT)
That was a bad idea, Swilatia. Infoboxes are generic templates. Not everyone has the time or inclination to make badges and flags. I will revert your edit, so that most people's pages aren't screwed up, and I'll make you a new box into which you can put an image. Please be careful when editing widely used Infoboxes: you can always take their code and use them on one page, when radical alterations might not be suitable. Thanks. Gruen2alk 18:17, 28 December 2005 (GMT)
I understand this. However, this is not entirely my idea. Maybe an advanced version of the city infobox could be crated, like how there is an advanced nation infobox. This is just my two-cents worth of a suggestion though. Swilatia 00:06, 29 December 2005 (GMT)

A new template has been created. Swilatia 00:57, 7 January 2006 (GMT)

Table of contents?

I would like to see an organized table of contents which arranges the content material in each primary category in a logical manner, similar to a site map. For example, if I click on the gameplay category, I wish to see an organized tree of articles that would expound on the topics discussed in the NationStates FAQ. 18:44, 9 November 2005 (GMT)

If I had either the time, the inclination, or the ability to write that major a modification of the MediaWiki code, I'd be applying for a job as a professional PHP programmer and as a MediaWiki developer. Which I'm not. --Goobergunch|? 03:21, 10 November 2005 (GMT)


There's a few featured article candidates that seem to have achieved long-term consensus to be featured, and the current one's been up for a while, so is it time to change them? ~ Ceorant (or rave) 02:03, November 19, 2005 (GMT)

Usually we leave them up for about 45-60 days each. If it's been up there for longer than at least 45, then whatever article you think should go up next can replace the current one (my language article ;)) --Pacitalkia 03:58, 19 November 2005 (GMT)

Sorry to be an annoyance or anything, but shouldn't the FAC page that went up after Pacitalian be something other than Pacitalia? Kajal 21:44, 24 March 2006 (GMT)

No annoyance at all, in fact, I think we're about to change the Featured article to something new either tomorrow or in the next 48 hours. (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 22:15, 24 March 2006 (GMT)

Blank Articles/Placeholders

According to NSwiki:Deletion policy, gibberish articles are speedy deletion candidates. However, do blank pages or a blank placeholders belong in NSwiki? → Ceo|squawk 18:48, November 30, 2005 (GMT)

If a user blanks an article that has content on it, I leave a blanking tag on their talk page. If the article is not updated, or if the article never contained content, there is precedent for adding an inclusion tag. Gruen2alk 19:37, 30 November 2005 (GMT)
So it's an inclusion tag, not a delete tag? → Ceo|squawk 21:10, November 30, 2005 (GMT)
I'm unwilling to say that they're speedy material without consulting with the other sysops. We never reach consensus that quickly, however...for the moment, yes, I wouold go with inclusion, rather than delete. Gruen2alk 10:25, 1 December 2005 (GMT)
I don't think that it really makes sense to put an inclusion tag on, because what can you debate about a blank article? We should try to reach consensus to have either delete or let stand. I'm going to post on NSwiki:Community decisions and see if we can get a consensus on whether to have them as speedies or valid parts of NSwiki. → Ceo\squawk 01:11, December 4, 2005 (GMT)

Regional Ecology

A number of us in the International Democratic Union have been working to build entries for the flora and fauna of our nations. Having shared borders means we also have a shared ecology. I was wondering that since there are lists of international airports (obviously which can be useful for roleplaying), that perhaps we could create an article called "Ecology of the International Democratic Union" which could serve as a list of articles (examples currently include Antrian Hare, Den Jay, Musk Pike, and Tnani). One possible NSWiki justification ties into UN roleplay ... as environmental category resolutions come up, the ecology of our region would be publically available for NationStates players to easily access and possibly use in their discussions / debates. I'd appreciate thoughts and suggestions here, as we have many more animals and plants to work on. Mikitivity 19:16, 23 December 2005 (GMT)

Could a category within a International Democratic Union factbook suffice, or are you interested in adding a little more detail to the list than that? → Ceo\squawk 19:47, December 23, 2005 (GMT)
Ooooh, better place for this -- thanks! A category could work, but I was thinking of dividing the list up between flora and fauna, and maybe even making it a table where we could list threatened species and nations in which they are a vital economic resource. For example, I was eventually going to talk the coastal nations into making a whale (seeing that there is a Whaling resolution) and wanted to suggest that one nation might want to hunt it, so the overview article might be a useful way of displaying that info. But for the short-term, even a category would work. Mikitivity 19:59, 23 December 2005 (GMT)
My suggestion would be to add a section called Ecology to the IDU main article. I don't really see the need for a whole page, if it's just going to be full of links. If, however, it will be an article in its own right, then I don't see why not. Your region page isn't too cramped for space. Maybe if you first made a section on IDU, and then, if it looked like it cold go into a whole article, transferred it over. Gruen2alk 20:34, 23 December 2005 (GMT)
Even with the massive linkage issues, I think it could take on a legit form like the UN resolutions list Fris made (the one on FAC status). Perhaps, if there were to be a table, you could have thumbnails, small descriptions (like excerpts from the main articles on each species of flora/fauna), and, of course, the links. I think, with the right effort, it'd be one of the better tablarticles on the Wiki. --Pacitalkia 20:41, 23 December 2005 (GMT)
Actually the UN Timeline is ultimately what I had in mind (the color coding and table format were my contribution to Fris's article). The question is, are we (IDU authors) up to the challenge. The UN Timeline is now benefitting from contributions from a number of active UN players. I appreciate all these ideas and will discuss them with the article authors on our forum, but would it be possible to start with a IDU Ecology category (allowing the Wiki engine to index for us) and later move to a thumbnailed Ecological Summary article? Mikitivity 23:17, 23 December 2005 (GMT)
If you're going to ever do an article, the time to do it is when you start. Once you get a whole bunch of articles in the category, you won't want to go back and manually put them into an article. → Ceo\squawk 23:58, December 23, 2005 (GMT)

Potential New Meta Page?

Unless we already have something like this, I believe it might be beneficial to create a "Request for Administrative Help" page. This could be used when a administrative page move was needed, to report vandalism, or any time when someone needed sysop-style help. That way, you wouldn't have to pick an admin to ask and risk the chance that they would not be active. If it was feasible code-wise, it could also be a nice addition to have the banner (like for new talk page messages) flag up for all admins when a request was added. → Ceo \ squawk 20:20, December 24, 2005 (GMT)

This is a good idea in my opinion. When I upgrade to 1.5.4 in the next day or two, I'll see how feasible the coding tweak is. --Goobergunch|? 00:35, 25 December 2005 (GMT)

"Show preview" doesn't work

When I press the "Show preview" button after writing/editing, it downloads and shows the editing page/tab, not the page as it's going to be. Leaves me having to hit the "Save page" button, re-edit, etc. I'm on Win98, using Mozilla 1.7.5 behind Privoxy 3.0.3 and Tor Trokenyan 06:31, 2 Jun 2005 (GMT)

Try scrolling up; the result of the "Show preview" button should be that the page as it's going to be appears above the editing page/tab. --Goobergunch|? 16:13, 3 Jun 2005 (GMT)
Ah ha!! That was the clue I needed to fix it. The default setting puts the "preview" at the bottom, lost in all the clutter of other "helpful" bits. As the "preview" does not, in fact, show you what the result will look like, but rather, shows the text formatted like the rest of the edit page, it's not obvious what has happened.
Changing to "show preview before edit box" separated the "preview," visually, from the rest of the edit page, thereby making it possible to spot it.
Why isn't the preview formatted like it will appear when one is done? BBS's manage to do this, and they are an older 'technology', AFAIK.Trokenyan 01:06, 6 Jun 2005 (GMT)
In Opera and IE, the Show Preview shows exactly what the page will look like, with the addition of the Edit box between the end of the text and the Category bar at the bottom. There are no other preview page elements among "the helpful bits", though the Category bar is in fact separated from the rest (a fairly minor quibble). I can't figure out what else you're talking about, as it's prerfectly fine What you see is what you get previewing. → Fris Θtalk 00:16, 7 Jun 2005 (GMT)

Template:Image doesn't work properly

As everybody may have noticed, the upgrade to 1.4.5 b0rked Template:Image. My attempts at fixing it haven't gone very well, and the originator of the template hasn't been on the wiki since February. So if anybody feels like taking a stab at fixing it, do so with my blessing. --Goobergunch|? 20:09, 25 Jun 2005 (GMT)

Fixed. The Mindset 01:04, 29 Jun 2005 (GMT)
Sorta... The Mindset 02:00, 29 Jun 2005 (GMT)
Okay, I'm pretty sure it's totally fixed now. :) The Mindset 02:47, 29 Jun 2005 (GMT)

While we're on the subject...any chance of finding a way to resize images? At present there appears to be absolutely no way to do it (I've even tried the HTML tag, which seems to be nonfunctional). --Bedistan|Beditalk 02:10, 29 Jun 2005 (GMT)

Afaik, this isn't possible, since we can't even use the tag in templates. On a happier note, I think I've managed to get it working to the same standard it was before. Sorry for flooding the "recent changes" page though. - The Mindset 02:13, 29 Jun 2005 (GMT)

"What the slani hell?" Department

Uploads are slanied

I've tried numerous times over several days to upload an image for one of my articles, only to keep getting this message:

Could not copy file "/tmp/php0hXC14" to "/mounted-storage/home2/sub003/sc434/ns/wiki/images/temp/20050802140753!FieldOfFlowersWest.png".

Is anyone else having this problem? --Bedistan|Beditalk 2 August 2005 14:10 (GMT)

Oooooookay, apparently nobody else is having this problem, because people are successfully uploading things left and right, while I just gave it another try, to no avail. Is the wiki software prejudiced against me for some reason? --Bedistan|Beditalk 14:34, 7 August 2005 (GMT)
If you have already upload this image, and you want to re-upload, you can't. First the admins must delete the old one. Rufus T. Firefly 14:48, 7 August 2005 (GMT)
So far I haven't been able to successfully upload it even once, so presumably that's not the problem. --Bedistan|Beditalk 16:57, 7 August 2005 (GMT)
I know about this bug, it's related to Safe Mode. Unfortunately, I don't know why it occurs; it seems to just randomly affect some uploads and not others. Perhaps an organized analysis of why images fail to upload would help - please report failed image uploads to NSwiki:Failed uploads. --Goobergunch|? 17:59, 7 August 2005 (GMT)
Well, I tried converting the images I was having problems with from PNGs to JPEGs, and now they upload fine. Perhaps file size is the issue? The PNG versions were all over 300KB (and in fact if I'd realized they were that big I'd have gone ahead and converted them anyway), while the new ones are well under 100KB. Looking at Special:Imagelist and sorting by size, there are no uploaded files larger than about 145KB. Perhaps there's a limit somewhere in there?
Unfortunately the images are still useless, because I need them in a thumbnail form, and that doesn't work. --Bedistan|Beditalk 21:02, 9 August 2005 (GMT)


UN Resolution Info Box

Could somebody create an infobox for UN Resolutions that when placed at the top of a UN resolution page automatically links the resolution or repeal to the UN Resolution category? Some info that should be included in the info box: Title, Number, Category, Sub-Category, Status, Date Adopted, Date Repealed, Author, Votes For, Votes Against, Percentage of Votes. The info box should then be color coded based on the category, but we can do that manually. Ultimately I want something that looks like album infoboxes on Wikipedia. Build it for me once and I'll take care of getting the boxes onto the hundreds of resolutions we have!  :) Mikitivity 17:36, 1 August 2006 (GMT)

Here it is. And to change the colour of that thing on the top, add to the code a line "colour= (hex number of desired colour) | oh, and don't try using the american spelling. it will not work that way (its a script thing). --swilatia 00:08, 25 September 2006 (GMT)
Thanks! I have no problems with the English spelling.  :) Is it possible to tweak the box to include three more fields: % of votes (45%, 67%, etc.) and then "Previous Resolution" and "Next Resolution"? They might not be necessary, but also might be fun. I'm still stuck on Wikipedia's album infoboxes. But let me stress that when I saw this new box this morning I thought it was AWESOME and I'll slowly back populate the UN resolutions with these! Danke! Mikitivity 16:02, 26 September 2006 (GMT)
Now that I'm using the Resolution template I realized that we also need a template for Failed Resolutions, such as the two Repeal "Sexual Freedom" resolutions. What I'd like is for the new template to not include a link since there is none, to have "voting ended" instead of "adopted", and to automatically throw the items into a "Failed Resolutions" category. In theory, a repeal article can be *both* a failed resolution and a adopted one. Mikitivity 20:23, 5 November 2006 (GMT)
I've edited the template you can use the same one. If it's a failed resolution, don't include the {{{resnumber}}} or {{{linknumber}}} parameters, and add:
|voteend = Voting Ended

at the bottom. Also set status to failed. That ought to work, and it will categorize it too! Ceoranta 22:09, 5 November 2006 (GMT)

Fuzzy watchlist math

Direct quote from my watchlist page:

"63.5 pages watched not counting talk pages"

How exactly does one watch half of a page? Am I only reading every other letter or something?

--Bedistan (jon seplab) 18:11, 26 November 2005 (GMT)
It means that you've managed to watch a page without watching its corresponding talk page (or vice versa). Don't worry about it, although I can fix it myself if you want. --Goobergunch|? 00:32, 25 December 2005 (GMT)

Regional Ecology discussion moved to the bottom of the suggestion box, as that's where it should go, I think. → Ceo\squawk 19:47, December 23, 2005 (GMT)

Page not registering edit

The recent changes and its history show that I have very recently edited the World Cup 34 page. When I compare the differences, the edit is clear: I reordered the groups to note the results of the qualifying stages. However, the page appears just as it did before I edited it.--Ember Nickel 21:07, 28 April 2007 (GMT) (PS: like the name of this section)

Try purging the page cache in the future if the page doesn't seem to update (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php?title=[TITLE OF ARTICLE]&action=purge) LE (WP) | Talk 01:55, 30 April 2007 (GMT)
Cool, thanks. It works now.--Ember Nickel 20:14, 30 April 2007 (GMT)

NSWiki bug

I suppose this bug is well known, but I didn’t find any information about this, please forgive me if I didn’t search well, i donno if i'm the only one concerned

40 % of the time I try to access any page I have the following error:

A database error has occurred

Query: BEGIN

Function: Database::begin

Error: 1226 User 'goobergunch1' has exceeded the 'max_questions' resource (current value: 72000) (mysql.servage.net)


• GlobalFunctions.php line 451 calls wfbacktrace()

• Database.php line 408 calls wfdebugdiebacktrace()

• Database.php line 358 calls databasemysql::reportqueryerror()

• Database.php line 1450 calls databasemysql::query()

• Database.php line 1420 calls databasemysql::immediatebegin()

• Database.php line 332 calls databasemysql::begin()

• Database.php line 1529 calls databasemysql::query()

• LoadBalancer.php line 595 calls databasemysql::getlag()

• LoadBalancer.php line 118 calls loadbalancer::getlagtimes()

• LoadBalancer.php line 179 calls loadbalancer::getrandomnonlagged()

• LoadBalancer.php line 344 calls loadbalancer::getreaderindex()

• DatabaseFunctions.php line 52 calls loadbalancer::getconnection()

• User.php line 675 calls wfgetdb()

• User.php line 625 calls user::loadfromdatabase()

• Setup.php line 212 calls user::loadfromsession()

• index.php line 63 calls require_once()

Love and esterel 09:33, 13 April 2006 (GMT)

User talk:Goobergunch, NSwiki:To do. It's a known problem that Goobergunch can't really do much about. We just have to put up with it. Ceo \ rant \ rave 13:19, 13 April 2006 (GMT)
Thanks for the info, good luck → Love and esterel 23:49, 14 April 2006 (GMT)
If needed, my FTP account (800 MB free left) can host all images hosted by the present server or even a part of or the whole wiki eventually → Love and esterel 12:16, 15 April 2006 (GMT)
My FTP transfer here is fine. That's not the issue. --Goobergunch|? 21:34, 17 April 2006 (GMT)
Everything works well now, congrats → Love and esterel 22:19, 19 April 2006 (GMT)
Now I have the problem. :( I did download and install a new Firefox version (which is being glitchy with Vista right now). Which is why I'm having a hard time editing things, or may accidentally double 'save.' Has there been a "cure" to this old bug? --Einmyria 14:12, 19 October 2007 (GMT)
It's not an user operating system or web browser error, it's the MySQL database complaining, with not much help from anyone as how to fix it. - Starblaydia 15:11, 19 October 2007 (GMT)
Ahh, I see...Thanks for letting us know. It seems to have corrected itself over time.--Einmyria 14:19, 20 October 2007 (GMT)

Linkspam/IP editing

Has forcing account creation/disabling anonymous editing been considered to help curb the linkspam? LE (WP) | Talk 11:43, 23 May 2006 (GMT)

Yeah, I've considered it. The problem is that we get a lot of legitimate edits from IPs, more so than Wikipedia. I don't particularly want to discourage editing from legitimate users, but the spam is getting ridiculous (it's probably not helping the server problems, either). I'd be curious to hear what others think. --Goobergunch|? 17:10, 23 May 2006 (GMT)
I doubt that forcing accounts would hurt NSwiki very much. Yes, it would be yet another password for people to remember, but less spam, less page edits, less new useless pages and less work for admins can't be a bad thing. - StarblaydiaYlomTiny.png Star Talk. 18:30, 23 May 2006 (GMT)
I would like to suggest not disabling editing by unregs completely, because it deters people who can't/don't want to create an account, but disable page creation by unregs. We could also have a system so the unregistered users could request another user to create a stub for them that they could expand on. Ceo \ rant \ rave 22:38, 23 May 2006 (GMT)

Well, can something please be done about them? LE (WP) | Talk

  • It seems that they're getting ballsy enough to even spam Goobergunch's article for Goobergunchia. I'm going to have to strongly suggest disabling anonymous editing. It doesn't take alot of work to create an account, but enough that it should cut linkspamming by a fair amount. Nightbane 10:54, 7 June 2006 (GMT)
I am also getting sick of this link spam, and although I was only going to suggest disabling page creation for unregistered users, afte today I am going to have to agree with Nightbane. Also If these linkspammers actually bother to register before spamming the pages, they should be permanatly banned without warning...I saw some of the link spammers only being banned for 3 months, something tells me they will be back.John 23:08, 18 June 2006 (GMT)
I am forced to concur. I wish we could allow anons, but the linkspam is taking forever to deal with. Perhaps block anons for a period of time, and then reenable them and see if they don't come back? Ceo \ rant \ rave 02:54, 19 June 2006 (GMT)
I also have another idea, but it might be technically impossible. Would it be feasible to give the admins a "mark as linkspam" button that would rollback the edits (or delete the page if there were no significant edits) and block the user in one fell click? That would make it way easier to deal with. Ceo \ rant \ rave 02:56, 19 June 2006 (GMT)
That's an excellent idea, though I wouldn't limit it to just admins. Perhaps a category:linkspam for it so that admins can just browse through it ever so often, rv the spam and block the IPs that did the spamming in the first place. I still support the non-anon page creation thing though. - StarblaydiaYlomTiny.png Star Talk. 07:04, 19 June 2006 (GMT)
Well, I was thinking mark as linkspam would be more of an admin tool, that would auto-revert and block with one click, not just "mark" it, and non-admins don't have block or delete rights. But perhaps non-admins could have a button to automatically put the linkspam into a category. Ceo \ rant \ rave 23:19, 19 June 2006 (GMT)
I suspect the IPs involved are bots using open proxies. Per Wikipedia, open proxies should all be indefinitely blocked, incase they are misused like this. LE (WP) | Talk 06:59, 19 June 2006 (GMT)
That's policy here, too. I know a bunch are blocked. How do you find out if they're open proxies? Ceo \ rant \ rave 23:19, 19 June 2006 (GMT)
This is a list of unblocked ones on metawiki, and this list as well. LE (WP) | Talk 05:25, 20 June 2006 (GMT)
  • My new laptop comes in tomorrow. I'll look into stuff then. --Goobergunch|? 07:15, 20 June 2006 (GMT)

Okay, the software upgrade provides us with a bunch of helpful features. One of these is the ConfirmEdit extension, which I'll be implementing in the near future. Another is that pages can now be protected against unregistered users only, which I'm going to go through and implement on a bunch of pages right now. --User:Goobergunch|? 06:42, 3 July 2006 (GMT)


Im having trouble with my flag not showing, along with my map. Well general infobox trouble (again)-Okie (feels very noobish) http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Okielahoma Also wondering how to creae an article in sports roleplaying sub category

Have you actually uploaded a flag image, and have you checked what the image is called? You can also insert images directly by simply pasting the url. Regarding your map, though, I don't recommend doing that unless you first scale down its size. To create an article in sports roleplaying, simply add [[Category:Sports roleplaying]] in the article. (By the way, please remember to sign your comments/questions with four ~s, so we know when you've asked.) Aridd 00:43, 11 November 2006 (GMT)