Talk:Knootian independence

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OK, I'll offer my comments on this "historical account" and document. First of all, I wouldn't have a problem with this thing if you hadn't decided to play on the historical Netherlands territory. If "Knootoss" was a fictional piece of land, I'd probably be lauding this as a piece of writing. I really don't see why you mock my position - which has no problem with adding events to history but has much concern over people taking events away from history - as hypocritical and whatnot. That aside, I read your independance "declaration" and see it as a giant "rip-off" of the Declaration of Independence of the United States. The format is the same "Government comes from the people, etc, etc., the meany evil tryant did all these bad things to us etc., etc., therefore we declare our independence etc., etc." Though I think Jefferson's was better written. Not to mention you claim the be OMG TEH 1ZT N8T10N 2 S8Y RUL3RZ AR3 ACC0UNT8BL3 TO TEH P30PL3 B3CUZ W3 R S0 L33T OMG OMG!!!!!! Let me guess... William of Knootcap tapped the ground and out sprang the great general Vogels, fully grown, in uniform, on a horse; and the three of them, William, Vogels, and the horse, single-handedly conducted the entire 40-years war.  :roll: So first you rewrite history, and then you give yourself this great big and worldwide important event. Sheesh. Give me a break. ~Syskeyia


People all over NS (and NSwiki) have located their nations on "historical whatever territory", and rewritten the history to suit their own desires. There are at least three different Soviet Unions here already, and dozens of US states in International Incidents that have radical departures from RL history. Despite that, you seem to be picking primarily on Knootoss. You also once again imply that there is a "single coherent history" that translates over to NationStates, despite mounds of evidence to the contrary. Frankly, your attitude is far more arrogant that Knoot's on this, as you claim that your (and only your) interpretation can be considered 'historic'. Sheesh. Give me a break. Frisbeeteria Θtalk 14:40, 25 Oct 2004 (GMT)


I agree, of course. Knootoss' back story, and everyone's else's, is FICTIONAL and RL events are irrelevant. And Syskeyia, if you insist on having this inflexible & unilateral view of history and what others can and can't do, at least try to get your history right. The Dutch declaration of independence from Spain WAS the first assertion of popular sovereignty. The US came long, long after it. It's either arrogant or ignorant to claim that Jefferson invented these ideas, which had long been current in France, the Netherlands and elsewhere -- as Jefferson would have been the first to admit. But that doesn't matter so much, next to this campaign of harassment you're on. Why not just stop it?

Oops, forgot to sign. TB 15:55, 25 Oct 2004 (GMT)