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| − | All the above nations have massive private sectors, no income taxes, and belong to one of the capitalist UN categories (as opposed to the nations in my previous table, which had massive public sectors, high income taxes, and belonged to one of the socialist UN categories. | + | All the above nations have massive private sectors, no income taxes, and belong to one of the capitalist UN categories (as opposed to the nations in my previous table, which had massive public sectors, high income taxes, and belonged to one of the socialist UN categories). |
I'd say the proof is rather undeniable at this point, but if you want more, I'll be happy to provide it. Just tell me what exactly you need in order to be convinced of Sunset's bias. -- [[User:Constantinopolis|Constantinopolis]] 14:57, 4 Dec 2004 (GMT) | I'd say the proof is rather undeniable at this point, but if you want more, I'll be happy to provide it. Just tell me what exactly you need in order to be convinced of Sunset's bias. -- [[User:Constantinopolis|Constantinopolis]] 14:57, 4 Dec 2004 (GMT) | ||
Revision as of 10:57, 4 December 2004
I replaced the "capitalism vs communism"ish dichtonomy with a neutral and NPOV reference to taxes and allowing private property. This is after all what is being measured, not wheter the user has chosen a red flag and a Marx quote for his slogan. -- |Knoot|KNOOtalk 18:16, 3 Dec 2004 (GMT)
I also removed the blatantly NPOV reference to "heavy capitalist bias". Any mention of capitalist bias is unacceptable, IMO and I will not play along with the wearing-out tactics of Constantinopolis. Fuck off. -- |Knoot|KNOOtalk 18:19, 3 Dec 2004 (GMT)
Oh my, how very friendly we're feeling today! Knootie, I'm touched - I didn't know you cared. And yes, I hate you too. I wasn't aware that you owned the wiki, though, or that you were the sole judge and jury of what is or isn't "acceptable". If capitalist bias exists, then I sure as hell am going to mention it. And I have plenty of evidence to back up my assertion. Sunset's calculator is heavily biased in favour of capitalist economies. Take a look at the following statistics I've compiled for various socialist, anarchist or otherwise non-capitalist nations:
| Nation | Commerce Heights GDP per capita | Sunset GDP per capita |
|---|---|---|
| Constantinopolis | $31,351 | $11,609 |
| SeOCC | $27,921 | $10,461 |
| Celdonia | $36,924 | $8,863 |
| Kerla | $36,101 | $9,143 |
| Free Soviets | $20,865 | $14,893 |
| Free Socialism | $24,920 | $13,204 |
| Xikuang | $35,048 | $9,139 |
No capitalist bias my ass. -- Constantinopolis 14:07, 4 Dec 2004 (GMT)
- All you've showed is that Sunset's per-capita incomes are lower overall at this point. There are no examples of capitalist nations. There is no comparison of tax rates, government spending structure, or any other relevant info. Looking at a single value in isolation doesn't prove capitalist bias, only the fact that they are different. I'm removing the clearly POV "Heavy capitalist bias" line. The text of the article says there are different biases and that's enough without getting into a political edit war. Feel free to invite Sunset to explain his formulas or find some accurate way to prove your opinion, but until then leave it be. → Fris Θtalk 14:26, 4 Dec 2004 (GMT)
Do we really have to do this the hard way? You know as well as I do that I am right. Per-capita incomes are certainly not lower overall in Sunset's calculator. When it comes to capitalist nations, they are almost identical to those given by Commerce Heights:
| Nation | Commerce Heights GDP per capita | Sunset GDP per capita |
|---|---|---|
| Menelmacar | $45,489 | $45,514 |
| Knootoss | $45,983 | $45,209 |
| Sunset | $47,678 | $46,897 |
| Kreisau | $19,349 | $20,780 |
| BAAWA | $48,002 | $46,897 |
| John Bernhardt | $44,213 | $43,552 |
| Onn Consumer Products | $30,263 | $34,192 |
All the above nations have massive private sectors, no income taxes, and belong to one of the capitalist UN categories (as opposed to the nations in my previous table, which had massive public sectors, high income taxes, and belonged to one of the socialist UN categories).
I'd say the proof is rather undeniable at this point, but if you want more, I'll be happy to provide it. Just tell me what exactly you need in order to be convinced of Sunset's bias. -- Constantinopolis 14:57, 4 Dec 2004 (GMT)
