Difference between revisions of "User talk:Quebrada"

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fris, It is Quebrada i now have an account and this is the main place i can have a personal chat with you. Obviously you have not read all of the wars. I am currently editing the Puerto-Guanica War. I think i am starting to sense jealousy or even anti-quebrada behaviour because of our victories, When we fight in a war we fight with honour.

Then log in and edit from your account, for pete's sake. You have not edited a SINGLE article from your user account. That makes you extremely hard to pin down. There are any number of useful articles and posts on how to use the wiki - have you read ANY of them?

You have stated perhaps a dozen times that what you're doing insn't godmodding, but then backed it up with absolutely nothing other than statements like "we fight with honour". I don't give a damn one way or the other how you justify it, as long as there appears to be some basis in fact either within or outside the game context. You have provided neither.

As for your absurd contention that my complaints are based in jealousy, allow me to point out that I am a NSwiki sysop, and part of my duties are to look for and remove nonsensical articles from the wiki. Your godmod wars are nonsense at this point, and I'm not alone in wanting to see them either justified into real articles or removed. You are NOT playing according to established and accepted rules of conduct when you claim multiple victories over non-NS nations, and I challenge you to provide even one link to a forum topic by anyone other than a godmodder that uses your 'commonly used' system.

I have invited you not once, but at least half a dozen time, to explain in simple detail how you manage to win all your wars with such low casualty counts. Your response, each time, has been something along the lines of "None of the battles and wars are lies." In the worlds of NS, that is neither complete nor sufficient.

Quebrada has been in existence for perhaps two months real-time. Frisbeeteria has been here for more than a year, and has made a genuine impact on the game world via one passed UN resolution and many other activities on the forums. A search under your nation name reveals "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms." Before you start telling me that *I* don't know how this game is played, I think you'd better establish some (non-fictional) history of your own. → Fris Θtalk 23:00, 2 Nov 2004 (GMT)

Quebrada's Wars and justification

Frisbeeteria, you are incredible. Thanks to your comment i have had messages from other Quebrada Politicians (friends) have screamed at me saying that you are a threat and an anti-Quebradan hater. At Quebrada we do not like these people and if you are not one of them-justify yourself! As a result we have been investigating you to see if you fought any wars and to see if you are a godmodder-remember it takes one to know one! So Fris you are "Under Quebradan Notice" that means you country is being investigated.

How our wars are done and our way to bring honour and anti-cheating (no godmodding) into our wars

There are a couple of specific NSWikipedia users we have listed that have been noticed and are potential people that we may complain about if this carries on.

PLEASE, go to the Neo-Europe region in the NS Site and read the 2 messages that Quebrada and Uden talked to each other.

All the wars that Quebrada fought with NS Countries are people that i know. Me, personally HATE Forums. Quebrada is rather anti-social and nationalist country. My original ideas for Quebrada have always been that it would be an economical and military power like America.

Also, I have felt that i have not been to specific about some of the wars that i have typed done and i have started to contemplate editing them again.

Similarities

You want justification, this is it.

1. in the ns website search for "neo europe" not "neo-europe" and read the last and recent messages about quebradan wars.
2. Have a chat with a nation called the "Uden Protectorate"-warning this country is not as patient as Quebrada is!
3. Quebrada does not use fourms which is perfectly o.k.
4. All the NS Countires that Quebrada has fought in a war is people that i know. i do not want to mix with the people in the forum-that is not against the rules.
5. Quebrada is new to NSWiki and NS as a whole and we will use our newly created account more-so be pateint with us, we are newcomers-not "we have been here a year and created the u.n. and its resoultions nation" like you.
6. When Quebrada fights a war we use an advanced computer program (I cannot tell you what it is beacuse i could infringe a copyright and i REALLY dont want that to happen). The cheats and help and easy level is deleted. the easy level is adjusted to hard. As the cheats and help is gone-COMPLETELY, Quebrada has NOT GOT A HOPE IN HELL of cheating or godmodding in anyway. All battles a fought one-to-one and we fight in honour (meaning we fight to the death and keep prisoners and not kill civilians on purpose).
7. Lots of NS Countries have fought each other or real-life countries, either in a forum or by some other methods exactly the same or very similar to i have done. I have seen a nationstate country defeat Japan at war. ihave seen another one defeat Haiti at war (with millions of casualties more than Quebrada has ever done!)-i could go on and on! Seeing this i thought it was o.k. to allow my country to fight real-life countries as well! so i was basically copying others.
8. We justify our actions to go to war-we do not just start a war out of hatred. Read our history. some of your questions may not be answered because it is still under construction.
9. An ignorant stereotype saying the the Quebradans are "Invincible War-mongers" has been created. The reason that the casualties are low because i have made sure that Quebrada's military strategies are very good and that a lot of soldiers survive. At war, we defeat our opponents using very bloodthirsty means (either that or this will happen to us!) and we like to ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK! knowing what we are doing during battle! so basically we like to fight and destroy our rivals head on.
10. I have created a whole history by myself for Quebrada. so the stories i have created supports the justification for going to war with other countries.
11. Finally, WE HAVE LOST ONLY ONCE-DECISIVELY! WE ARE NOT INVICEABLE. That war was a guerilla war and it was MY fault we lost. You're war complaints didn't help us at all. THANKYOU VERY MUCH!

timeline

The quebradan timeline is not defined in real-life years like 1999 or 2004. to know how old it is age is defined in population. Fo instance you were concerned about out victory in the Quebrada Independence War. It stared at '5 Million' and ended at '8 Million. Therefore, in real life years the war lasted for some time! From when the country existed at 0 million it progressed a lot and at 5 million we declared war on Honduras. from 0 million to 5 million a LOT of real-life years had passed. It is a little hard to explain. Also you misunderstood, i did not say you dont know how to play NS. I meant you do not know have the timeline in Quebrada is in NS. If you thought that it was my intention that i said you did not know how to play-I apologise and i did not mean it that way.

I hope this has justified myself and if you have any more questions about our wars or our history feel free to ask me at the same place. Quebrada is one of those NS Countries within NS that does things a differently but still abiding by the rules. Again other NS countries do this and still abide by the rules.

One more thing what is you opinion about the Quebradan Civil War and just for the record is Frisbeeteria an anti-quebradan country because the QIA (Quebradan Intelligence Agency) wants to know.

Response

Fine. Whatever. I don't know what game you're playing on your computer, but it isn't NationStates. NationStates doesn't have a "war computer game", it's all roleplay. Since this is in fact a NationStates site, I was under the impression that we were recording things that happened in NationStates continuity. That means the Forums and related off-site forums. Since you don't use those, your wars and such don't really fall under our jursidiction and don't really belong on this site.

Since you seem convinced otherwise, I'm going to end this conversation. As long as your articles confine themselves to the factbook and don't try to pass themselves off as anything that actually happened in NationStates continuity, I won't comment on them further. If you do try to categorize them or link them to other, actual NationStates events, I will request consensus from the NSwiki community as to whether they should be allowed on the site at all.

Finally, you are confusing the nation of Frisbeeteria with the NSwiki sysop User:Frisbeeteria. There is no relationship in this case. I am not roleplaying a nation in these discussions, as NSwiki is not by its nature a roleplaying site. This is an encyclopedia of things that occured in a specific online game called NationStates, something that seems to continue to evade you. I have questioned the existence of your articles on this site as not being representative of this game, and that's the end of it. → Fris Θtalk 22:19, 3 Nov 2004 (GMT)