User talk:Ceorana/Pre-sysophood archive I

FAC votes

When voting on an featured article candidate, or in any vote, you need to update the vote tally manually. In this case, you didn't, so there were no votes 'for' recorded in the tally.Gruenberg2 07:45, 20 October 2005 (GMT)

Will remember to do in the future. Thanks! Ceorana|Φ 21:27, 20 October 2005 (GMT)

Re: clean-up of violet

I have removed the clean-up tag from violet. I believe that this constitutes a part of NS lore, and as such the admitted irregularity of the article is acceptable. I have commented as such on NSwiki:Cleanup. If you still believe clean-up is required, perhaps we could discuss it first: we don't want to be ping-ponging the tag in and out of the article.Gruen2alk 20:33, 6 November 2005 (GMT)

I don't see what can be cleaned up. It's taken from elsewhere, and I don't see how quoted statements can be changed. Are we going to change each one to 'according to TSM, "..."'? I agree fully with your keenness to clean-up NSwiki: but I believe this article represents a special, allowable exception, similar to the Hall of Ex-Nations. There are many other articles on the cleanup page more in need of attention.Gruen2alk 02:21, 7 November 2005 (GMT)

Hogsweat deletion controversy

This is a sensitive article. Please be careful in your edits. Gruen2alk 19:12, 20 November 2005 (GMT)

Sober Thought and semi-generic headings

Due to the signature, this response could belong to somebody else; if so, send it on its way.

1. Thanks for noticing; sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who reads this pap. 8^)
2. Thanks for caring enough to leave a message; few people do.
3. I'll try to explain my rationale (in my normal longwinded way 8^) )and you can tell me how it could be improved for my benefit and the benefit of the NSWiki community.

When I named my three main branches of the armed services, I deliberately (for RP and for NSWiki reasons) chose abnormal titles. E.g., the Air Service would much more commonly be called Air Force, Airforce, Air Corps, xian Air Force, Air Defence Force, etc. This is especially true of the Land Service, where Army would by far be the natural language (but rejected by me on philosophical and linguistic grounds).

My main entry for all the armed forces is at Community Defence Forces, which incorporates something like your idea of prefixing each entry with "Sober Thought." While Community is one of the dropdown options for national pre-titles, I've rarely seen it used. In fact, my official GP pre-title is now Gemeinde (a direct German translation) of Community and in keeping with my RP history of the country, a bilingual French-English country that splits the difference and uses German for certain official purposes. The combination of "Community," "Defence" spelled with a C and "Forces" with a plural is highly unlikely to occur in any other NSWiki combination.

Now that I've gone completely insane and NS is becoming more important that RL (I'm not sure if a smiley or a frowney belongs here more), I've greatly expanded the entries for the Land Service, Naval Service and Air Service so that they need to be broken up. I have elected to use (where sensible and possible) each of the three armed services (and Defence Forces should that become necesssary) as the lead words for my articles. So Air Service fighter is a reasonably distinctive title, certainly better than "Fighter" or even "F-1 Fighter" (which applies to my fictional fighter, but is an obvious designation for even a casual observer of military aviation). Does this make sense?

Would Community Defence fighter make more sense? I was trying to get all the army articles to file together (so far, they all have numbers as the lead character), the navy (Community Vessel series, and perhaps one or two in the future with "Naval Service" as the first two leading words of several in the whole article title) and the air force (which caused the whole issue in the first place). But just as easily I could have all the unified services' components interfile (e.g., Community Defence fighter, Community Defence land formations [awkward and ambiguous meaning of the article I would like to eventually create, namely Land Service formations], Community Defence frigate).

I am sincerely interested in hearing your opinion and getting advice. I have already had article naming issues; when I started this family of scores of pages, I never imagined I'd have more than one so I used the one-page nation template instead of the factbook one. Then I made a page for my real world self. Then I added some others, and pretty soon the main page became Sober Thought fictional which gummed up the works with NSEconomy (because the page name did not exactly match the NS country name). I also called one of my provinces North Island, which was then usurped by a country of the same name. So I left the country at the main page and put a pointer to other meanings, i.e., North Island (Sober Thought) which is the preferred wiki way.

Please, I will give every consideration to any ideas you have.

And since you took the trouble to look at mine, I'll have a peek at yours too. It seems a shame to let creativity wither on the vine away from public view.

Thanks again for your help.

Forgot my waltzing mathildas, I rarely remember to sign in so it frequently doesn't matter.

Sober Thought 03:50, 21 November 2005 (GMT)

Round two

I can see how your idea of an italicised expanatory header would work; I did the same for North Island and North Island (Sober Thought).

However, there are some problems with your other suggestion: article titles will get extremely unwieldy, e.g. "Sober Thought Community Defence Forces Air Service warning and control" for the AWACS airplanes. How about this for a synthesis:

"Sober Thought Community Defence Forces" for the main entry, then "CDF [sic, not spelled out]Air Service," "CDF air warning and control," "CDF 9 series divisions," "CDF cruiser," etc. That way, there can be no confusion over the main article armed forces article being about my country (and thanks for mentioning the Category: Armed Forces bit -- I would have discovered it eventually, but you saved me lots of time), and the subsidiary articles will file together (although not by environmental service).

One snare might be that somebody else out there wants to use the intialism "CDF," but I say tough; first come, first serve. I had to make do with the North Island (Sober Thought) bit (which I would have offered any way, had the country of North Island come later and asked; it seems fair to give NS nations first dibs on article names rather than units of NS nations), so they can make do with a different acronym or a spelled out name.

Sound good? I'm adding a few other articles, not all of them military, today. I'll use my current system till we get this worked out, then MOVE and DELETE to clean it all up.

I also took a look at most of your pages, made a few simple typo changes, added a few questions/suggestions/observations, and tried to fix a pie chart that seemed to interfer with the text below. I don't think I was successful with the latter, but I hope the former two were useful to you.

Thanks for the assistance, I look forward to the third (and perhaps final) round.

Oh, and in retrospect, I'm guessing you're American because of your education reference to free tuition until the AA degree.

Return-message on linkspam

You did the right thing, yes. I put that one on indefinite protect for now, but I really don't want to end up protect every talk page on the face of this website, because a) that would just suck, and b) we'll figure out a way to keep the linkspammers away. Hey, if Websense can block us, we can block the linkspammers! --Pacitalkia 06:38, 25 November 2005 (GMT)

Sober Thought round three

Pacitalia --

At User talk:Sober Thought there's a thorough (I hope) and consequentally long list of how I plan to fix the problems or issues you and others have identified in the Category:Sober Thought articles. Some of these will help (or at least impact) upon the NSWiki in general.

If you have time in the next week, could you please give them a once over, state your objections, indicate your assent or make suggestions? I don't know enough Russian (or even generic Slavic) to say thanks, but I'll give it in my crappy Czech: Dêk (fam.) or Dêku (form.). That's supposed to be a hácek (again, no accent possible for the c in the word that describes the hácek!) not a circonflex/circumflex, an option not available in the palette below.

I'll start using the proposed system right away (since it does conform more closely to Wiki conventions than some of my past articles). Within a week I'll start retroactively applying the system by MOVEing, #REDIRECTing and otherwise messing with existing articles.

It's there for others, too.

Thanks.

Sober Thought 05:56, 26 November 2005 (GMT)

Thanks

Just a quick thanks for your involvement in the Wiki thus far, in particular with respect to helping out with Sober Thought's articles. Also, a suggestion: your first section might be better, or rather more noticed by others, if you de-sectioned it, so it would show above the table of contents. Gruen2alk 19:16, 29 November 2005 (GMT)

Re: admin move request

Sure. That was actually a cock-up by me. It gets more complex, though: so far as I can tell, the nation's name is actually The Land of Lusitans. I've moved the page to The Land of Lusitans (and left a note on the talk page noting that the article title is in fact in line with Naming conventions). I'll mop up the mess now. Thanks for pointing this out. Gruen2alk 19:17, 30 November 2005 (GMT)

No problem. I've deleted four articles, and left one redirect. If you spot anything else you'll need help it, tag it delete, as you did with Lustain, or let me/another sysop know. Thanks again. Gruen2alk 19:26, 30 November 2005 (GMT)

Templates

We must stop meeting like this. Yes, you're right: I should use the subst prefix. I don't generally 'welcome' many people, in part because I'm a cold, miserly and inhospitable bastard, but also because, given how relatively new to the game I am, it won't necessarily always be well-received.

Problem, and I'm not sure if it's solveable, but if you have any thoughts, I'd be interested to hear them. When we use {{subst:welcome}}, the {{PAGENAME}} variable shows up. I tried substituting in {{subst:PAGENAME}}, but that just made everyone called Welcome (see the page history of User talk:Pracowity). Can you think of a way to avoid this? As it stands, it remains obvious that they're being 'templated'. Gruen2alk 02:19, 3 December 2005 (GMT)

Ok, I'm posting the welcome message here: sorry to fuck up your talk page, but you can wipe when you've looked. When you edit the message out, doesn't it say, "Hey {{PAGENAME}}", instead of "Hey Ceorana?" <-- This was an unsigned comment by me, Gruen.

Yes, I'll keep it in mind for when I next get a chance to speak to Goober. Thanks for your consideration. Gruen2alk 02:47, 3 December 2005 (GMT)

As for {{preview}}, I'm in two minds: on the one hand, it is decidedly visible as it is, which is good; on the other hand, I do agree it's slightly too stark. Ordinarily, I'd advise you to NSwiki:be bold, but as this is a commonly used template, I'm not sure. Perhaps we could come up with a template at a namespace, and if it seems to be an improvement, transfer it across? Gruen2alk 10:32, 1 December 2005 (GMT)

I've left a couple of comments at Template talk:Preview2test. Gruen2alk 01:22, 2 December 2005 (GMT)

I've changed it a little more. Thoughts? Gruen2alk 02:06, 2 December 2005 (GMT)

I would love to fix titles, but to tell you the truth I'm sure how to edit such title. Could you please explain how to do so?

67.82.203.222 04:28, 3 December 2005 (GMT)Sicinia Salis

Sicinia Salis

Technically I am a registered user (Sicinia Salis), but I prefer to work out of that mode. If logging in makes things easier for you, I'll happily do so.

67.82.203.222 05:06, 3 December 2005 (GMT)Sicinia Salis

Re: request for admin assistance

We can't move categories. Or, if we can, I don't know how to. I'd noticed those articles on sweeps of Special:Uncategorisedpages before...and thought "argh". I don't know what's going on, so before I do anything, I'll leave a note on the talk page of the contributor for now, and have a think about what to do. Gruen2alk 04:02, 4 December 2005 (GMT)

Re: Advanced Templates

Nice idea. I'll edit it a bit now, and we can decided where to go from there. Gruen2alk 00:44, 9 December 2005 (GMT)

Re: Notification of Page Move

Thanks for moving The Free Land of Discoraversalism to Discoraversalism. I think we probably need to update NSwiki:Info_boxes as it does instruct new users to "change NationName to your nation's name, exactly as it appears in NationStates". That would seem to be directing new users to include the pretitle. Hwictkwitshabcalta 01:08, 10 December 2005 (GMT)

Done. It now reads:

To create your starter nation page, click the link below. Go to the Address Bar of your browser and change NationName to your nation's name, exactly as it appears in NationStates, without the pretitle (so Maxtopia, not The Republic of Maxtopia), and hit Enter on your keyboard. Then paste the standardized Infobox code below into the newly opened Edit window, and add appropriate information afterwards.

Ok? Any further suggestions, let me know. Gruen2alk 02:03, 10 December 2005 (GMT)

Vandalism at OPArsenal

I have deleted the page. Thanks for the headsup! --Pacitalkia 20:22, 11 December 2005 (GMT)

Yes, thanks. Saw the note on the talk page. Although the nation exists, it was a pretty pointless stub. Gruen2alk 23:20, 11 December 2005 (GMT)

Quick reminder

If you drop notes on people's user pages (especially stuff like 'show preview') - and thanks for doing so, as it's a real help - remember to sign it, so they can contact you if they have questions. Thanks. Gruen2alk 05:09, 12 December 2005 (GMT)

Slanied article move re. Mac and SEGT

I've put it so that you can go to The Macabees and it will redirect to SEGT. Still within conventions. --Pacitalkia 04:48, 15 December 2005 (GMT)

Archiving your talk page

You should probably move the oldest 5-10 entries into your very first archive soon. Move them to User_talk:Ceorana/Archive. --Pacitalkia 06:04, 15 December 2005 (GMT)