User talk:Quebrada

fris, It is Quebrada i now have an account and this is the main place i can have a personal chat with you. Obviously you have not read all of the wars. I am currently editing the Puerto-Guanica War. I think i am starting to sense jealousy or even anti-quebrada behaviour because of our victories, When we fight in a war we fight with honour.

Then log in and edit from your account, for pete's sake. You have not edited a SINGLE article from your user account. That makes you extremely hard to pin down. There are any number of useful articles and posts on how to use the wiki - have you read ANY of them?

You have stated perhaps a dozen times that what you're doing insn't godmodding, but then backed it up with absolutely nothing other than statements like "we fight with honour". I don't give a damn one way or the other how you justify it, as long as there appears to be some basis in fact either within or outside the game context. You have provided neither.

As for your absurd contention that my complaints are based in jealousy, allow me to point out that I am a NSwiki sysop, and part of my duties are to look for and remove nonsensical articles from the wiki. Your godmod wars are nonsense at this point, and I'm not alone in wanting to see them either justified into real articles or removed. You are NOT playing according to established and accepted rules of conduct when you claim multiple victories over non-NS nations, and I challenge you to provide even one link to a forum topic by anyone other than a godmodder that uses your 'commonly used' system.

I have invited you not once, but at least half a dozen time, to explain in simple detail how you manage to win all your wars with such low casualty counts. Your response, each time, has been something along the lines of "None of the battles and wars are lies." In the worlds of NS, that is neither complete nor sufficient.

Quebrada has been in existence for perhaps two months real-time. Frisbeeteria has been here for more than a year, and has made a genuine impact on the game world via one passed UN resolution and many other activities on the forums. A search under your nation name reveals "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms." Before you start telling me that *I* don't know how this game is played, I think you'd better establish some (non-fictional) history of your own. → Fris Θtalk 23:00, 2 Nov 2004 (GMT)

Quebrada's Wars and justification

Frisbeeteria, you are incredible. Thanks to your comment i have had messages from other Quebrada Politicians (friends) have screamed at me saying that you are a threat and an anti-Quebradan hater. At Quebrada we do not like these people and if you are not one of them-justify yourself! As a result we have been investigating you to see if you fought any wars and to see if you are a godmodder-remember it takes one to know one! So Fris you are "Under Quebradan Notice" that means you country is being investigated.

How our wars are done and our way to bring honour and anti-cheating (no godmodding) into our wars

There are a couple of specific NSWikipedia users we have listed that have been noticed and are potential people that we may complain about if this carries on.

PLEASE, go to the Neo-Europe region in the NS Site and read the 2 messages that Quebrada and Uden talked to each other.

All the wars that Quebrada fought with NS Countries are people that i know. Me, personally HATE Forums. Quebrada is rather anti-social and nationalist country. My original ideas for Quebrada have always been that it would be an economical and military power like America.

Also, I have felt that i have not been to specific about some of the wars that i have typed done and i have started to contemplate editing them again.

Similarities

You want justification, this is it.

1. in the ns website search for "neo europe" not "neo-europe" and read the last and recent messages about quebradan wars.
2. Have a chat with a nation called the "Uden Protectorate"-warning this country is not as patient as Quebrada is!
3. Quebrada does not use fourms which is perfectly o.k.
4. All the NS Countires that Quebrada has fought in a war is people that i know. i do not want to mix with the people in the forum-that is not against the rules.
5. Quebrada is new to NSWiki and NS as a whole and we will use our newly created account more-so be pateint with us, we are newcomers-not "we have been here a year and created the u.n. and its resoultions nation" like you.
6. When Quebrada fights a war we use an advanced computer program (I cannot tell you what it is beacuse i could infringe a copyright and i REALLY dont want that to happen). The cheats and help and easy level is deleted. the easy level is adjusted to hard. As the cheats and help is gone-COMPLETELY, Quebrada has NOT GOT A HOPE IN HELL of cheating or godmodding in anyway. All battles a fought one-to-one and we fight in honour (meaning we fight to the death and keep prisoners and not kill civilians on purpose).
7. Lots of NS Countries have fought each other or real-life countries, either in a forum or by some other methods exactly the same or very similar to i have done. I have seen a nationstate country defeat Japan at war. ihave seen another one defeat Haiti at war (with millions of casualties more than Quebrada has ever done!)-i could go on and on! Seeing this i thought it was o.k. to allow my country to fight real-life countries as well! so i was basically copying others.
8. We justify our actions to go to war-we do not just start a war out of hatred. Read our history. some of your questions may not be answered because it is still under construction.
9. An ignorant stereotype saying the the Quebradans are "Invincible War-mongers" has been created. The reason that the casualties are low because i have made sure that Quebrada's military strategies are very good and that a lot of soldiers survive. At war, we defeat our opponents using very bloodthirsty means (either that or this will happen to us!) and we like to ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK! knowing what we are doing during battle! so basically we like to fight and destroy our rivals head on.
10. I have created a whole history by myself for Quebrada. so the stories i have created supports the justification for going to war with other countries.
11. Finally, WE HAVE LOST ONLY ONCE-DECISIVELY! WE ARE NOT INVICEABLE. That war was a guerilla war and it was MY fault we lost. You're war complaints didn't help us at all. THANKYOU VERY MUCH!

timeline

The quebradan timeline is not defined in real-life years like 1999 or 2004. to know how old it is age is defined in population. Fo instance you were concerned about out victory in the Quebrada Independence War. It stared at '5 Million' and ended at '8 Million. Therefore, in real life years the war lasted for some time! From when the country existed at 0 million it progressed a lot and at 5 million we declared war on Honduras. from 0 million to 5 million a LOT of real-life years had passed. It is a little hard to explain. Also you misunderstood, i did not say you dont know how to play NS. I meant you do not know have the timeline in Quebrada is in NS. If you thought that it was my intention that i said you did not know how to play-I apologise and i did not mean it that way.

I hope this has justified myself and if you have any more questions about our wars or our history feel free to ask me at the same place. Quebrada is one of those NS Countries within NS that does things a differently but still abiding by the rules. Again other NS countries do this and still abide by the rules.

One more thing what is you opinion about the Quebradan Civil War and just for the record is Frisbeeteria an anti-quebradan country because the QIA (Quebradan Intelligence Agency) wants to know.

Response

Fine. Whatever. I don't know what game you're playing on your computer, but it isn't NationStates. NationStates doesn't have a "war computer game", it's all roleplay. Since this is in fact a NationStates site, I was under the impression that we were recording things that happened in NationStates continuity. That means the Forums and related off-site forums. Since you don't use those, your wars and such don't really fall under our jursidiction and don't really belong on this site.

Since you seem convinced otherwise, I'm going to end this conversation. As long as your articles confine themselves to the Category:Quebrada factbook and don't try to pass themselves off as anything that actually happened in NationStates continuity, I won't comment on them further. If you do try to categorize them or link them to other, actual NationStates events, I will request consensus from the NSwiki community as to whether they should be allowed on the site at all.

Finally, you are confusing the nation of Frisbeeteria with the NSwiki sysop User:Frisbeeteria. There is no relationship in this case. I am not roleplaying a nation in these discussions, as NSwiki is not by its nature a roleplaying site. This is an encyclopedia of things that occured in a specific online game called NationStates, something that seems to continue to evade you. I have questioned the existence of your articles on this site as not being representative of this game, and that's the end of it. → Fris Θtalk 22:20, 3 Nov 2004 (GMT)

FYI: Neo Europe Civil Headquarters

As you quote this as your proof, I refer you to the godmode section of the wiki, and the What is Godmodding? (link temporarily unavailable) post in International Incidents. Uden's opinion nonwithstanding, what is posted on your regional boards is considered godmodding on NationStates.

As the owner of this site, I should note that if your NSwiki articles have no significance to other players in the game, they would be best suited for a personal site rather than this one. I'll yield to Fris's opinion, but if you want to argue that they occured in NationStates events, I think I'd be in line in requesting that you e-mail me some kind of billing info (admin@goobergunch.net) to defray website costs.

Incidentally, if you can link me to a place where these wars occured, I doubt I'd have a problem with it. --Goobergunch|? 01:13, 4 Nov 2004 (GMT)

Quebrada Wars

moving this from User talk:Frisbeeteria

err. very sorry to bother you fris, just one more quick thing. thankyou for your reply. I have reached you here because i doubt that you will get my message at Talk:Quebrada. I hvae real Godmodding several times and i think it is hilariously funny that people resort to invisible tanks and nukes just to win a war. Quebrada does not believe in the use of nukes (it wipes away too many civilians).

Our wars in terms of nationstates are simply an army-to-army war. The program we use to fight in a war is a computer game. I was disappointed to find out there isnt a war program in NS so i searched throught one of my games until i found a game that can create battles. When i fight i turn all the cheats off and help off so Quebrada has NO assisstance whatsoever. This will make the war fair. Lately the strength of the Quebradan army is the same as the opposing army. finally Quebrada does not 'say' how many has died, we fight in the game (as there isnt one in NS). therefore Quebradan and its rival deaths and causalties are created by computer fighting.

I instantly assumed that as other NS countries apply there own ways of fighting a war without forums and fight real-life countries, i thought i was allowed to do it because they do it. Anyway Quebrada is trying to find new allies rather than defeating its enemies.

Finally, Quebrada does do roleplay (mainly with NS Countries it knows) within the NS Website. Sincerely, The Capitalist (not capitalizt) republic of Quebrada.

Quebrada, I don't care how you justify your play, I really don't. You keep telling me the same story over and over again, and I don't care. When you fight wars with a computer game that isn't NationStates, you're not playing NationStates. It's something else. Consequently, posting results of a solo battle, no matter how fairly fought, is simply not relevant to NS or NSwiki. You've gotten your ruling from two different sysops. This conversation is over.

Also, quit erasing the Talk:Quebrada page. Once you entered that information into the wiki, it becomes community property, as do all the comments. It's not your private talk page, and blanking it is viewed as vandalism to the wiki. Read the notice on the bottom of every Edit window. You posted it, you have to live with the criticism. → Fris Θtalk 12:48, 4 Nov 2004 (GMT)

Quebrada Justification

fris, I will assume that i have justified my self. other users do the same thing (for NS Purposes) so i am allowed to do the wars that i want. i will not longer answer any questions on godmodding from now on! I do not care about other people's criticisms of my wars (I now class criticisms as either jealousy or their personal inability to win a war!) i may have been given rulings from 2 sysops but you and goober have been given justification from me and tonnes other users who do the almost exact same thing as i do! I arrest my case!-In my opinion this conversation is now over! p.s. it was not my intention to vandalise the site-do not accuse me of vandalism! i repeat i am new to this site!

you just don't get it, do you?

Everyone is new to this site. That's why we have all sorts of help pages describing how things work. I did not accuse you of vandalism, I told you what you did is considered vandalism. I didn't think it was your intention, but you need to be told this stuff as you obviously can't be bothered to read the instructions.

Speaking of which, go visit NSwiki:Naming conventions and read the bits about using acronyms. I just cleaned up another three of your incorrectly named pages (Quebradan Labour Party, National Liberal Party, Quebradan Conservative Party) and fixed all the links. I spend more time correcting your errors and responding to your questions than I have to on any ten other "new users". Would you mind spending some time reading the instructions before slamming out another ten or twenty pages, please?

And you can drop the bit about "jealousy" - it makes you look like an idiot. There are not "tonnes other users who do the almost exact same thing" - there are a few other godmodders who also claim to be playing according to the same logic you use. You've provided exactly one example Uden Protectorate, who was clearly and demonstrably wrong. I also know that Hataria does exactly the same thing (read virtually any of his posts if you don't believe me), and he is widely derided as the worst godmodder in the game.

This link to What Godmoding Is now works, so I'll quote:

Definition of Godmoding 

Saying what happens to other people's stuff.

A Godmode is an arbitary statement of superiority detrimental to good RP.

The Effects of War 

Wars on your soil damage your infrastructure and economy in ways not quantified by the game in NS1. Wars abroad typically cost lots of money. Keep that in mind, for those of you who are frequent warmongers. Mobilizing troops, tanks, artillery, planes, etc, takes a surprising amount of money each time you do it. Be careful about how you do it as well, especially for you younger nations out there. Your first action being a mobilization, is definitely not recommended. Other things that’ll cost you money is keeping your mechanized military up-to-date, and refurbished. You can’t just let it sit in the shop, its gotta be checked every now and then for problems, and tested out. Don’t forget the amount of supplies each soldier will need too. They’ll obviously need food, water, and for those of you out there who take things safe, gas masks, and things like that [do not mistake this for needing to KNOW the exact amounts].

Nothing is Perfect 

That goes for your tanks that never break down, your troops that never give up, your NMD that never misses.

All of these things describe the Quebradan wars that you have posted, and fit within your justification. I've provided ample links and justifications from official sources, and you have provided exactly one link from one of your friends and regionmates. Whether you agree or not is immaterial at this point. The ruling stands.

I'm telling you this not to put you down or to shut you up, but to try to convinve you that you will NEVER be taken seriously on this site or NationStates as long as you persist in saying that your actions are not godmodding. It's a game. Play it how you want. I don't care what you do for fun. However, on this site we don't post Godmode results as fact. That is my official position as a NSwiki Sysop. And with THAT, I once again consider this matter closed. → Fris Θtalk 16:42, 4 Nov 2004 (GMT)

I do get it! but other people dont when i explain things

Good, i thought i was accused of something i did not do. also i thought several times that you were doing this to shut me up. Quebrada plays NS VERY seriously and likes to do roleplay. Quebrada has heard of Hataria before and is referred to by Quebradans as "Dishonourable Men" (Quebradan slang for countries who enjoys godmodding to the extent that millions die). Tonnes of other countries do fight real ones here is an example http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=354760.

I do get it! but other people dont when i explain things

Good, i thought i was accused of something i did not do. also i thought several times that you were doing this to shut me up. Quebrada plays NS VERY seriously and likes to do roleplay. Quebrada has heard of Hataria before and is referred to by Quebradans as "Dishonourable Men" (Quebradan slang for countries who enjoys godmodding to the extent that millions die). Tonnes of other countries do fight real ones here is an example http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=354760.

I do get it! but other people dont when i explain things

Good, i thought i was accused of something i did not do. also i thought several times that you were doing this to shut me up. Quebrada plays NS VERY seriously and likes to do roleplay. Quebrada has heard of Hataria before and is referred to by Quebradans as "Dishonourable Men" (Quebradan slang for countries who enjoys godmodding to the extent that millions die). Tonnes of other countries do fight real ones here is an example http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=354760.