User talk:Quebrada/Ban

After discussion with other users, I have taken the following actions against User:Quebrada:

• Quebrada is banned from editing NSwiki for a period of 1 year. Per Wikipedia precedents, this ban will reset any time Quebrada makes an edit. Any edits by Quebrada should be reverted on sight.
• Any IP used by Quebrada to edit NSwiki will be blocked for a period of 6 hours. Since Quebrada uses AOL, a more lengthy block is not appropriate.
• Any new accounts created by Quebrada to edit NSwiki will be blocked indefinitely.

Since I don't like taking these kind of actions unilaterally, I'm opening this page up for a discussion and referendum on my action. Feel free to add options to this quasi-poll.

Quebrada's contributions are difficult to trace, as the user often failed to log in. However, more evidence can be seen at Talk:Quebrada and Talk:Rejistania.

--Goobergunch|? 02:19, 22 Nov 2004 (GMT)

1-year ban, 6-hour IP block

Goobergunch|? 02:19, 22 Nov 2004 (GMT)

→ Frisbeeteria Θtalk 04:32, 22 Nov 2004 (GMT) (See other arguments at User Talk:Quebrada)

Three to six month ban

the first two votes below were moved from the comments

1. Yes, I would support this, if the ban were to be only "to three-six months". Cacobellvm|✐talk 10:49, 23 Nov 2004 (GMT)
2. I'll second Cacobellum's proposal for it to be a three-six month ban. I can honestly give no specific justification other than 1 year seems draconian, particularly in the context of it being the first long-term ban of any sort Sacco and Vanzetti 17:57, 23 Nov 2004 (GMT)
3. While I want this person banned, I think that he/she was a newb/newbie who simply did too much. I'm for a three-six month ban. If this nation is still around in three-six months, it'll be a lot less newbish. Afterall, newbs/newbies usually either mature or quit NS within a few months and a shorter ban will be long enough. If I'm too late, simply remove this and revert back. Nanakaland 03:34, 24 Nov 2004 (GMT)
4. In the interest of consensus, I'm changing my vote to make it a six month ban, but I want to keep the 6-hour IP block and the automatic extension of the ban if the user tries to sneak back in to edit. If he emails admin at goobergunch.net and requests the deletion of all his pages, I'm fine with that too. → Fris Θtalk 05:20, 24 Nov 2004 (GMT)
5. I'll go with what Fris said. The "one-year" thing was sort of an impulse at the time - six months works fine for me. --Goobergunch|? 17:23, 24 Nov 2004 (GMT)
6. Bandwagonning with the other sysops for reasons explained below. -- |Knoot|KNOOtalk 23:52, 25 Nov 2004 (GMT)

No ban

Comments

Does this refer to all editing, or only of articles? ie. are discussion pages, sandbox, etc allowed. [[User:Cacobellum|Cacobellvm|✐talk]] 04:53, 22 Nov 2004 (GMT)

Given the argumentative nature of the Talk pages above, and a general unwillingness from this user to listen to the wiki community and sysops, I'd say discussion pages are also under the ban. → Fris Θtalk 05:20, 22 Nov 2004 (GMT)

How was the ban period of 1 year decided? (As in what's the sliding scale of misdemeanours?) His misdeeds really focused around an utterly fantastical military history for a fantasy nation, an unwillingness to log on properly and goading sysops by being perpetually stupid. As utterly annoying as this obviously was, how much of it was a genuine threat or vandalism to the wiki? I'm asking not to imply an answer, just to ask. If he's real rather than just a wind-up merchant he's certainly a godmoddery felon of the highest order. But isn't that just a link?

(Also - I use Netscape Navigator and am frequently logged out between a preview and saving. However, I don't believe Quebrada is for real - but what could be real is that a precedent for banning periods may be set which may be inappropriate in the future) Sacco and Vanzetti 18:49, 22 Nov 2004 (GMT)

It's a fair question, one that should probably be discussed at greater length at NSwiki Talk:Why we blocked. This is a new wiki, and as such policies aren't etched in stone. One of the principal factors is that User:Goobergunch pays for this wiki out of his own pocket, and wiki users who use the site as their own private home page (with associated bandwidth expenses) have a more direct impact than it might on the foundation-supported Wikipedia.

Many of the admin decisions, including this one, are made after extensive discussion on the #nswiki channel. Knoot, Goober, Defaultia and I have all crossed paths with Quebrada on multiple occasions, and he has been a frequent topic of discussion. The ultimate decision and length of sentence came from Goober, with Knoot and I in agreement. We didn't discuss the length of sentence as such. In every other blockage so far, we've resolved the need for a block via other channels before the 24 hours had passed. In this case, blocking was pointless, as the user came in through so many of the public channels, so we communicated via Talk pages in an attempt to resolve the issues. None of our attempts to clarify NSwiki policy seemed to have any effect on the user, so we went for the policy of blocking.

The standard for a first block is 24 hours or less for a first offense, less if it's a shared IP address. Blocking a named user account is somewhat more difficult (for reasons which aren't clear), but for now only Goobergunch can do so. Perhaps you could start a consensus discussion on the blocking page, and we can work it out from there. → Fris Θtalk 19:34, 22 Nov 2004 (GMT)

I think I've fixed the account-blocking problem. I essentially commented-out the entire code block that checks whether IPs are valid, and it seems to work. --Goobergunch|? 21:27, 22 Nov 2004 (GMT)

On further research, it appears that Goobergunch is considering this a ban, per Wikipedia Banning policy. As site owner/creator, he holds the same position as Wikipedia:User:Jimbo Wales with regards to being able to unilaterally ban someone. User:Quebrada also meets several of the other criteria for banning long-term or permanently. → Fris Θtalk 19:46, 22 Nov 2004 (GMT)

Essentially yeah, although I like to get community opinion before/while acting. Although if consensus is to lower the ban to three-six months, I won't whine much. --Goobergunch|? 01:32, 23 Nov 2004 (GMT)

Thanks, that's a very comprehensive answer. Sacco and Vanzetti 01:24, 23 Nov 2004 (GMT)

comments moved to #Three to six month ban by Goobergunch|? 21:01, 23 Nov 2004 (GMT)

I honestly don't think it makes the slightest difference what length we impose past one month. The user doesn't participate in the Forums, is marginally involved with a few RL friends via region-play, and has fairly low participation in what I consider NS proper. I don't think he'll still be playing NS for much longer, now that we've taken his private-home-page-godmoddery-playground away. Three months, six months, a year - makes little difference to me. I don't think he's likely to come back where he's clearly not wanted. → Fris Θtalk 18:40, 23 Nov 2004 (GMT)

Deletion discussion

Rather than leaving this on a Talk page, I've refactored it to here → Fris Θtalk 16:32, 11 Dec 2004 (GMT)

Based on the discussion at User talk:Quebrada/Ban, and the fact that the user states here that he has no plans to return to NSwiki following the expiration of the ban, I've listed all his pages for deletion. Since there are so many of them, I'm going to use this page as the catch-all discussion point and will not add redirects to the other talk pages. → Fris Θtalk

Here are the articles listed for deletion:

Category:Quebrada, First Bribery War, Marutania, National Liberal Party of Quebrada, Neo Europe, Puerto-Guanica War, Quebrada, Quebrada Military History, Quebradan Civil War, Quebradan Conservative Party, Quebradan History Timeline, Quebradan Independence War, Quebradan Labour Party, Quebradan Left-wing Communist Front, Quebradan Right-wing Capitalist Front, Quebradan-Bahama War, Quebradan-Carribean War, Quebradan-Elgeria War, Quebradan-Falkland War, Quebradan-Gualize War, Quebradan-Icelandic War, Quebradan-Indie War, Quebradan-Maeda War, Quebradan-Mexican War, Quebradan-Panama War, Quebradan-Polynesia War, Quebradan-Saudi War, Quebradan-Spanish War, Quebradan-Tobagan War, Quebradan-Turkish War, Second Bribery War, The Quarter War, The Seminar War, The Sierra War

Delete

1. → Fris Θtalk 06:18, 5 Dec 2004 (GMT)
2. -- |Knoot|KNOOtalk 11:17, 5 Dec 2004 (GMT)
3. —ℜechze|♞talk 05:23, 6 Dec 2004 (GMT)
4. The original author has no plans to work on them and no one else is interested. -- Wilem Engelking 11:52, 9 Dec 2004 (GMT)

Keep

Comments

1. in addtion to the above articles, I found a number of redirects, duplicated IP user talk pages, and other minor irrelevancies for a total of 49 articles. All have been removed. → Fris Θtalk 16:32, 11 Dec 2004 (GMT)