Difference between revisions of "Talk:Martian Free Trade Agreement"

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I for one am not recognising Mars-B members as signatories and I sincerely doubt others will. Tarasovka for one has expressed that it is not recognising them. Just adding them to the wiki would be highly inappropriate in my opinion. --|Knoot|KNOOtalk 20:57, 30 September 2005 (GMT)

Was there real need to remove me from the list of signatories just because four of the members - Pilon, Knootoss, Sentient People and Der Angst - have an I.G.N.O.R.E. on me? Allanea 21:32, 30 September 2005 (GMT)

Question: Placing an NPOV tag means the neutrality of the article is in dispute. So tell me - what aspect of the article is deemed as a violation of neutrality? Sunset 09:11, 1 October 2005 (GMT)

At the usual and disturbingly frequent risk of making this one of those awful " all about you " affairs, Allanea, you have been banned from the more " legitimate " (subjective) R.P. Mars board, and this being the Martian Free Trade Agreement, well ... Meanwhile, I'm glad to join. Ties in with my VERITAS membership and general IC disposition nicely enough, I think. This United State 09:21, 1 October 2005 (GMT)

From NSwiki's perspective, every nation extant on NationStates exists. Wiki articles should not take positions that claim that other nations do not exist when in fact they do from an NPOV. The way I see it, the only way to objectively deal with this is to list all signatories to the treaty duly recognized under the terms of the treaty. If somebody doesn't recognize that the signatories in question are not qualified due to an IGNORE, then the IGNORE simply extends to that part of the article. It's just like, for instance, Allanea - if you IGNORE Allanea, than obviously you don't think the information in that article is valid. That doesn't mean that the article should be deleted. --Goobergunch|? 09:58, 1 October 2005 (GMT)

That may be your take on this, and I see that you already added your point of view to the general disclaimer without discussing it. Fact remains that the presence of these non-roleplayers is contested because they are not Martian at all, and therefore the wiki should not just blindly assume that it is all 'okay' because it leeds credence to their claims that their Mars is really interacting with all of The Planet Mars. I do not want people to think I trade or roleplay with these people. Either the situation is resolved (talking to Sunset right no) or you get a seperate 'B-list' list of Mars-B nations explaining that they are not recognised by all MFTA members because their planet does not exist. This is only fair. --|Knoot|KNOOtalk 11:17, 1 October 2005 (GMT)

This being the Free Trade Agreement for Martian and OTHER nations, I don't think that anybody at all is prohibited from joininig. Allanea 12:58, 1 October 2005 (GMT)

Though I think that I see your point, Goober, my personal opinion is that in the case of Allanea, for example, it is not the article which should be deleted, but rather ... the specific set of invalid data ( Allanea ) ...

Perhaps, since it seems "Mars-A" ( The Planet Mars ) is not in any form of total agreement at all on the issue of recognising "Mars-B", either in part or in total, perhaps a mutual disengagement policy regarding both parties and this Martian Free Trade Agreement would be advisable. R.P. wise, as I recall, a " Various Series of Cross-Dimensional Events " by Mars-A players, or some-such, forged the events of contact with Mars-B on their ( Mars-B ) forums, after some of their number came to Mars-A forums OOCly. Perhaps, drawing on these IC events, we should recognise that while "Mars-A" has this M.F.T.A. "Mars-B" could create a similar document for itself, of a different name, ( And perhaps of more tailored conditions there-in to them ) to be signed by "Mars-B" nations and only those Mars-A nations whom both recognise Mars-B and are recognised by Mars-B and wish to Role Play with them. This way the M.F.T.A. here remains intact for the Mars-A " dimension ", and Mars-B gets its own for all Mars-B participants, including those few from Mars-A involved there.

Another effect, I admit, would be that Allanea ( and anyone else in a similar conspiracy of circumstance, shall we call it ), in this scenario could be listed upon the Mars-B document, considering that is where he actualy is, IC-dimensionally and OOCly circumstantially speaking.

Basically, I'm proposing two documents.

• The Mars-A M.F.T.A. which being this present document, would remain exclusively for Mars-A and that community alone.

And,

• Mars-B M.F.T.A. a " new " document, based closely on the present " Mars-A " M.F.T.A. but tailored to best suit Mars-B and that community alone. If Mars-A folks wish to sign it, I expect there would need to be a general consensus amoungst the Mars-B community members on that, naturally this is a concept, I'm not claiming to dictate terms to what would need to be done to them or anyone else.

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Speaking of Allanea, I think you're wrong, Allanea. This is the Martian Free Trade Agreement, and considering the title, one would have to expect it is for Martian nations and not every other Tom, Dick ( - head ) and Harry who wanders along and edits the article, despite their residing off in Alpha Wank-tari. Consequently, unless you're " on " Mars ( And while I personally would theorise, considering the history of this document and the bulk of the signatories, this would mean Mars-A, and only Mars-A, ) you ( by which I mean anyone not " on " Mars, not just you exclusively ) are excluded from signing. This United State 04:56, 3 October 2005 (GMT)

"The Martian Free Trade Agreement (MFTA) is a free trade agreement of Martian and other nations. "

This is very clear to me. I do not understand why we should screw about with the MFTA based only on your and Knoot's disagreement with it.

Which still doesn't explain the main point:

Why in the seven hells is this an NPOV dispute?Allanea 06:52, 3 October 2005 (GMT)

NSWIKI IS A SECONDARY SOURCE. I don't care what in the name of Zarquon you call the treaty, or what Martian politics are going on. However, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO BE WORKING ON THIS. Please see NSwiki:What NSwiki is not, points 3 and 5. I don't need to express my undying gratitude at those who wish to dump a giant Martian dispute on my lap. --Goobergunch|? 15:06, 3 October 2005 (GMT)

1. The MFTA is open to /any/ signatories. You can sign it, no matter what. You don't even have to /be/ on Mars, as Knoot has proven in the past (Before he built his city). Thus, Allanea will have to be included if he wants to be included. Continuing petty conflicts in the wiki is not appropriate.

2. This does also mean that Mars B /can/ sign as soon as one of 'em recognises another Mars A nation and trades.

3. Thus stop your bitching, and Knoot, try not to be an angry little boy. How about thinking rationally? Rezo 15:16, 3 October 2005 (GMT)