Difference between revisions of "Talk:Nation codes"

Revision as of 10:57, 28 October 2007

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Known Issues

I'm moving a bunch of the older discussions to the archive page and summarizing them as follows. I also moved User:Pinguinum's comment about airline codes to Talk:List_of_international_airline_companies.--Einmyria 14:53, 28 October 2007 (GMT)

• Code Overlap = when 2 or more nations have the same code. Rule is, first come first serve. Do not duplicate a code if you know it is already taken. See "Disputes" section below for current disputes.
• The use of RL codes in the codes section. +1 for telephone codes, for example, was discouraged due to it's prominent use in RL...but there was much debate over whether this should be dictated or enforced. There was also discussion over the use of RL TLDs in NS. It boiled down to lack of enforcement.
• What are carplate codes? It's this.
• ISO Standards of 4 characters long appeared in the original forum thread, and so is highly suggested, but there has yet to be any "enforcing."

Disputes / Dispute Resolution Section

The Nation Codes are assigned on a first come first serve basis. A dispute can only occur if a player realizes that another player has the same passport code despite his/her claiming it first. This section highlights the dispute.

List of Current Disputes

List of Past Disputes

Talk

NPOV Dispute

This article is supposed to document nation codes used by nations regardless of whether or not another nation uses the same code and nations should not be forced to change their codes specifically for this list. NSwiki is not a place to conduct RP, it is a place to document them, no matter if there are duplicate, triplicate or quadruplicate codes. The confusion is might create could be explained in dozens of ways. John 03:00, 23 January 2007 (GMT)

I understand that there is confusion about the rules but I fail to see how this is any kind of a dispute over neutrality. I did not say that NSwiki is a place to conduct RP, I said it's our call to manage this site just like it's the moderators' call to manage the forums. Please do not twist my words. (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 04:24, 23 January 2007 (GMT)

And we, as members of NSwiki, are saying that those codes should be documented. What's your point? Eisophca 05:02, 23 January 2007 (GMT)

My points are clearly stated above. Use the scrollbar. (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 07:20, 23 January 2007 (GMT)

I don't understand how it is NPOV either. A different term should definitely be used in this case. Entsteig 01:10, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

Well I don't know of any other ways to do that... but how is it neutral if the article "moderators" are deciding who gets what code. And how is "that's how it has always been" a valid argument. Sure we could stop human sacrifices but that's how its always been!! John 04:08, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

I agree that not listing duplicate codes is POV. There should just be a note in the list where there is a conflict (see User:Commerce Heights/Sandbox for an example, and notice the near-impossibility of eliminating all conflicts in the phone codes. —Commerce Heights (talk) 05:58, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

Just like Pacitalia, i fail to understand how not showing duplicate codes that are duplicating is POV. From where do you get the Idea that they are? --swilatia 12:33, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

Good work, CH, nice list - I did actually have an idea where there would be a few seconds delay so that you could type in a code but there wouldn't be any code conflict.

For example, dialing your international country connection digits (i.e., 00), then 2 and then waiting three seconds would be a call to Pacitalia. Dialing 222 and then waiting three seconds would connect somewhere else. That's one way to solve that conflict; however, I stand firm in what I said before. Allow people to duplicate and triplicate codes makes no sense - this is one of those things that, since it doesn't make sense in real life, shouldn't be the opposite here. And "rebuttals" from TPM aren't really helping that side of the argument... (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 17:23, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

I'd tend to agree with Pacitalia. It makes no sense for the same telephone code, TLD, etc... to be effectively claimed and used by two or more countries. What we should do, in my view, is establish a policy by consensus. "First come, first served" would make sense in most cases, and we can contact users who have claimed a code that had already been claimed. Regarding the specific issue of phone codes - wow, they are a mess! Thanks, CH - one solution would be to say that, whenever one dials abroad, one dials that country's code, followed by a #, followed by the phone number. Problem solved? Aridd 17:57, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

That should be done on the forums. NSwiki is not a place to RP, it's a place to document. Eisophca 01:34, 25 January 2007 (GMT)

Commerce Heights' idea seems to be the most agreeable to me. John 22:06, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

Agreed.--Ked|talk|fax 19:53, 11 February 2007 (GMT)

Yes, too, I agree. It would be good to implement it soon, methinks. --Germanalasia 20:51, 17 March 2007 (GMT)

We don't need such a fat section about conflicts, or notes about conflicts with RL. Therefore, I oppose Commerce Heights's idea. --swilatia 21:31, 17 March 2007 (GMT)

In what way is it "fat"? I think displays the information about conflicts quite concisely, without encouraging them to be changed. As for the conflict with R.L. notes, it seems logically to me that they should be included, but if necessary I suppose they could be moved to a separate column... Additionally, the introduction of a monospaced font for the code, the 'cleaner' borders, and the table headings make the information easier on the eye and clearer to read, methinks... --Germanalasia 14:35, 18 March 2007 (GMT)

Well, it's much wider then the rest of the table. Also, it does not look right that a separate font is used for codes, monospace or not. Also, I do not understand what RL conflict notes would do, as NS is separate form RL. I don't know if just having a note at the bottom for "conflicts with an RL tld" would even make sense, I do know but we don't need a special section for that. --swilatia 18:54, 18 March 2007 (GMT)

The size of the note section compared to the first section is quite suitable, I think. To the second, the third column could be shrunk without too many problems occurring... The only entry that really needs that width would be the Federal Republic of Canada, because of the number of its conflicts... In any case, narrowing it would not make the row too tall, particularly. Again, for the third table, something similar could be applied. Possibly suggesting to the countries who have one-digit call prefixes to add an appropriate number of '0's :P.

Of course, removing or moving real life conflicts would resolve the vast majority of TLD conflicts, which would 'sort out' table #2. Considering, as you have quite rightly pointed out, that NS is meant to be separate from RL, it would probably be sensible to do so. --Germanalasia 18:45, 19 March 2007 (GMT)

Is it possible to highlight which codes or nations are disputing what? As it is, the article page can be quite confusing given it's length.--Einmyria 10:52, 27 October 2007 (GMT)

International Currencies

A question has come up in the Simtropolis region about how to sort their new regional currency, the Simoleon. I suggested having one entry for the Simoleon, as it is now. The Digital Network said that each nation should be listed individually. So I thought I'd ask what the community thought.--Kedalfax 22:45, 22 February 2007 (GMT)

Don't Know really. I'd go with listing it just once, and placing "Simtropolis", or "Simtropolis Nations" where the nation should go. Personally, I would change the format so the currency goes before the country, but switching this now might take some time. --swilatia 01:11, 9 March 2007 (GMT)

Split this article

I'm thinking this is getting quite unnecessarily lengthy—could we split these lists up into separate articles? We could place a template on the bottom of each list, linking to other lists. Blast 03:11, 28 June 2007 (GMT)

I second this. Not only is this making the article really long, it makes no sense to me for all these code types to be sharing an article. swilatia 17:16, 28 June 2007 (GMT)

A couple things

Just to let whoever-needs-to-know know, I am changing America of Tomorrow's currency from the "Money" to the "Point." So, I'm going to update this on the main article. ALSO, what is a calling code and do I need to register? Sorry if that's a dumb question... however I've seen many ranging numbers and it's a little confusing!

If I'm doing anything wrong, lemmie know please! Thanks.

America of Tomorrow 03:35, 18 July 2007 (GMT)

A calling code is the code someone outside your country needs to dial in front of a phone number when phoning someone in your country. Aridd 10:43, 29 July 2007 (GMT)

Currency and Keeping one Article

I think NS should adopt the following currency symbols:
Dollar/Peso: $
Pound: £
Lira: ₤
Yen/Yuan: ¥
Colon: ₡
Baht: ฿
Franc: F
Won: ₩
Presta: Pts
Rupee: Rs
Dong: ₫
Euro: €
Naira: ₦
Krona/Krone: kr
Sheqel: ₪
Ruble: p.

Not knowing about this page I created this, a page specifically for currencies currently circulating. Those of you wanting a separate article have your wish.

The way to keep the codes in a single article is putting all of the codes pertaining to a particular attribute of a nation in a sortable wikitable
--FirelightInvoker

There is absolutely no way that all the nations in Nationstates are going to adopt RL currency. The reason why NS is so diverse is because no RL currencies are used. As such, I oppose this suggestion. --Ѕтøќʟǒмōʟvї ^{Rant | Contributions} 22:53, 12 October 2007 (GMT)

I agree with User:Stoklomolvi in that RL shouldn't intrude too much on NS but I like the idea of including fractional monetary units, which people were not able to input in this main article. Is it possible to merge the two, I wonder?--Einmyria 10:58, 27 October 2007 (GMT)