Talk:Nation codes

Firstly: please add alphabetically, and file 'The' under 'T'.

I think we can spruce this up appearance-wise. I think it might be more helful to file things in reverse, so we can see which codes are taken, and prevent people going for the same one. I know that's not how Wikipedia does it, but we don't have to be like them in every respect. Any ideas?Gruen2alk 13:26, 27 October 2005 (GMT)

Agreed

I agree, especially since I noticed Palixia used the letter P after I had already inputted it as being for Pacitalia. Pacitalia 18:47, 27 October 2005 (GMT)

I don't quite understand what you mean by "file things in reverse". Ceorana|Φ 02:49, 28 October 2005 (GMT)

What I mean is order things such that the left hand column is the code, rather than the name. That way, we could see which ones are already taken.Gruen2alk 08:03, 28 October 2005 (GMT)

I agree. That's what I did when I did the article on international airports, mainly for that reason. Anyway, I've now edited this article and added a section called "Sorted by codes". I've done the ISO codes, and I'll probably do others later if no-one else wants to. ;) - Aridd, 28 October 2005.

I've now also added the TLDs and carplate codes sorted by code. The TLD .swa had been claimed by Swilatia despite the fact it had already been claimed by West Ariddia; also, the carplate code P had been claimed by Palixia despite it already being claimed by Pacitalia. Therefore I've listed .swa as being solely West Ariddia, and P as being solely Pacitalia. I haven't, however, removed Swilatia's and Palixia's claims from the first half of the article, because I think we need some sort of consensus before doing so. -Aridd, 30 October 2005.

I know this is unfair, but I'd be inclined to give .swa back to Swilatia, simply because West Ariddia is, well, a puppet. It's going to set a bad precedent if nations can claim hundreds of TLDs using puppets.Gruen2alk 16:55, 30 October 2005 (GMT)

Ouch, just realized who I was talking to. Well, it was just a thought. But yes, you did claim first.Gruen2alk 22:42, 30 October 2005 (GMT)

What does it change whom you're talking to? ;) Additionally, there's the fact that Swilatia has claimed 3 TLDs for a single nation. Even without .swa, he's still got 2 TLDs for one nation. There's no rule preventing him from doing that, of course, and I haven't got a problem with it per se, but it doesn't invalidate my prior claim, either. Now, regarding conflicting claims in the first half of the article, I suggest leaving them, but that the second half should list only those who made the claim first. Aridd 31 October 2005.

I hadn't realized I was talking to West Ariddia is what I meant. Anyway, you're right; let's leave it for now. And I agree with your idea about splitting allocation first/second.Gruen2alk 23:26, 30 October 2005 (GMT)

Airport Code Conflict

Airport codes are also at List of international airports. Ceorana|Φ 02:50, 28 October 2005 (GMT)

Conflict between Pacitalian and Palixian codes

I edited Palixia's Carplate Codes to say PX and the first three of his have been changed until he comes back to say what they're actually supposed to be. He's had a few days to rectify the issue but hasn't seemed to be around, so until then, to avoid confusion, I've changed his. Pacitalia|Pacitalk 06:58, 6 November 2005 (GMT)

Domain conflicts

OK, I think we may have a problem related to domain name conflicts for one. There's a list of people who have domains conflicting with RL domains, and I feel we should not encroach on this territory. The offendors are:
Caselonia - Chile (.cl)
Commerce Heights - Duh! (.com)
Goobergunchia - Guernsey (.gg)
Gruenburg - Great Britain (.gb) - it's not used anymore but it's still registered
Kaenei - Kiribati (.ki)
Knootoss - St Kitts and Nevis (.kn)
Meekinos - Macedone (.mk)
Sovietor - El Salvador (.sv)

And that doesn't count potential offendors with violated names on the Jolt thread - they're actually listed in my post over there, but we should deal with these ones My view? You eight on here and nine on the Jolt thread should replace your domains with something similiar but not in violation. Here's the link to domains in use:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code_top-level_domain

Rolatia 22:37, 29 December 2005 (GMT)

I don't think that's a major problem. None of those ccTLDs are very well-known, well-used, or both. The exception is .com, but I think that since (I beleive) Commerce Heights is completely centered around commerce, they would all use the gTLD, or maybe it's just for effect. This might be helpful if one or more of those nations agreed with your stance and wanted to fix it, but we shouldn't force anything on anyone. (It almost goes into the realm of personal attacks, which we certainly don't want :)). → Ceo \ squawk 04:38, 30 December 2005 (GMT)

Eh, OK. I'm not going to recognize them in RP, except as www.example.ns.gb for example Rolatia 17:15, 31 December 2005 (GMT)

I actually picked .gb deliberately because I knew it's not used anymore, but is registered (so it won't become registered). Besides, most countries don't acknowledge the existence of RL countries, do they? So, I don't consider this an NSwiki concern. I honestly don't think an inconvenient TLD is going to annihilate a whole RP. I'm more concerned about conflicts between TLDs within NS, than with RL crossover, which is inevitable. If you have a particular problem with one, negotiate with that player beforehand. I don't see the need to change this page at this time.Gruen2alk 17:25, 31 December 2005 (GMT)

Meh. Whatever, I guess it isn't too important ;)

In a spooky twist of fate I only found out earlier today that my nation's chosen code, .sb, is that of the Solomon Islands. NS is not equal to RL, one cannot fly from NS Starblaydia to the RL Solomon Islands, so where does the actual conflict come in? Surely the only 'conflict' over this would be two nations fighting over the same one on NS? - Star 21:05, 1 January 2006 (GMT)

I don't see it as a major problem. I decided on a three-letter code precisely to avoid conflict with RL, and also because three letters means a far greater number of possibilities for all the NS nations out there, but if some nations want a two-letter code which is already claimed IRL, it's really up to them... - Aridd, 12:22, 17 January 2006 (GMT)

I say theres nothing with an NS nation copying an RL nation's tld. Aftewr all, All those RL nations di not exist in NS. --Swilatia (Not Swilly!!) 22:19, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

I asked Paci over IRC, and he okayed me, but told me to leave a note here. Anywho, when adding my internet TLD to the list, ".crv" was taken by a June 2006 nation known as Carvalo. After doing some digging, I found that Carvalo had 16 posts on Jolt and the nation had since ceased to exist. Since I've been using .crv since late '05/early '06, I've inserted myself in Carvalo's place on the list under ".crv". Crave22 21:53, 10 March 2007 (GMT)

Small Question

I apologize if this is not the right place to be putting this message! But, I was wondering -- after reading how the domains are conflicting with RL domain endings, and how a few codes were used before others, when they all claimed them -- I was wondering if we are assigned certain codes, or if, when we claim a code, we need to go through a specific process, talking with whoever is in charge of all of this, or if we just add whatever we made up, respectively, to the list?

Jeez, that whole paragraph was just two sentences. Still, I'd like to know. This goes for all those other "official" codes and names on NSwiki, like, well, you know, I can't really think of any examples right now. Haha. :( So, someone please get back to me on this one? (I'd like to add a code. But should my nation seem a little more official at first? (Its NSwiki page is not at all finished yet, as I'm pretty much just making it up as I go along.)

Thank you... America of Tomorrow 21:44, 1 January 2006 (GMT)

There was an "official" thread deep in the gameplay forum for ISO codes, but I don't know if we'll ever find it again. :) Just put your codes in; NSwiki kind of "becomes" the authority, because you're writing about your nation and saying that it's your code.

On second thought, do it quickly, before someone takes it! → Ceo \ squawk 21:50, 1 January 2006 (GMT)

Article Size

This page has reached 33kb, and will only grow. I'm wondering if we should split it up into different articles: TLDs, ISO codes, currency codes, etc., and then add information about them as well. We can also just junk the airport section, as it's duplicated. → Ceo \ squawk 17:25, 12 February 2006 (GMT)

For now, I say leave it. A few kb over the limit doesn't matter: making many separate pages would probably entail more server space. Gruen2alk 19:11, 12 February 2006 (GMT)

I say get rid of the airport section of this page, as it already has a separate page, andI dont think it belongs with the rest of these. However leave all the others here for now. --swilatia 22:07, 22 March 2006 (GMT)

Telephone codes

My nation, Athens and Midlands has taken up telephone code number 1. Has any nation already own this code? If so, please suggest and alternative, preferably a number as small as possible. Thanks --Constantina 12:23, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Nobody has taken it. --swilatia 12:33, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

The reason nobody has taken it was because we had sworn off +1 due to its wide use in RL. (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 21:05, 28 February 2006 (GMT)

Once again with the telephone codes

Guys, for the love of God. If a code is taken, you cannot use it, except in situations where the player who claimed it first gives you consent to share or the two or more nations sharing the code are run by the same person OOCly. Period. I realise this may be troubling for some people, but it's been the standard since we started doing this list. No duplicates or triplicates. If a code is already taken, you must pick something else. (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 07:14, 16 January 2007 (GMT)

That seems to be a questionable standard based on the multiverse theory and the fact that one nation simply might not respect another's code in Nationstates itself, let alone the bias of assigning codes as a first come first basis to this page in NSwiki... John 01:38, 19 January 2007 (GMT)

It's not biased. It's how we've always done it, and it's quite a simple system. We're not dictating that you can't RP as having the code on Jolt or the main NS site, but we are well within our rights to forbid duplication or triplication on this list because it's NSwiki's call on the NSwiki site. I'm well aware of the multiverse system but we're not about to completely redo this list. Again, this is how it's always been. (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 03:31, 19 January 2007 (GMT)

Edit: Plus there's the whole fact that even if a multiverse exists, it's not like there's not going to be travel or communication between those realms. So saying we're flying into ABC... oh, you mean Airport A in Universe B or Airport B in Universe A... or Airport C in Universe A... that's pretty ridiculous IMO. It's the same principle in saying... okay, to call country code 40... wait, isn't that Nation X too? You see what I mean? (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 03:34, 19 January 2007 (GMT)

NSwiki is here to document, not to dictate. We shouldn't keep people from listing their codes here; we should just have a note saying that such-and-such code is not generally recognized by the international community. Free-form roleplay says that maybe one nation takes another's code to hurt them. We can't just block out a portion of NS roleplay. Eisophca 05:24, 19 January 2007 (GMT)

Two questions

Umm, I don't know if anyone noticed this, but Airport Codes by Nation is still here. Should I go ahead and delete that, or do you think I should check it against the other list first to make sure none are missing?

Second, what are the carplate codes? I'm not familiar with that. Kedalfax 00:28, 2 April 2006 (GMT)

Carplate = licence plates. Some nations have federal plating systems instead of provincial (like in North America), so they will use a letter or number to identify where the car is specifically registered. For example, a licence plate in Pacitalia, registered in the city of Sambuca, will look like so:

The P and flag identify that the car is registered in Pacitalia, the SBC specifies that it is a Sambucan (province, not city) vehicle. The licence plate numbers are national, however, so there are no duplicate numbers through each province. And that's a pretty basic explanation of carplates, at least from a Pacitalian perspective. (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 01:04, 2 April 2006 (GMT)

For the sheer sake and love of nitpicking: It can't be called a "federal" plating system unless the country happens to be a federation. In most countries, it would be called "national" rather than federal. Aridd 11:01, 21 July 2006 (GMT)

"Did you get the license of that car?" "Yeah I did, it was N, 9, T, 6, B... no, wait. N, 9, T..." Four hours later, the Police can finally enter the details into their computer :p - Star Talk. 11:46, 2 April 2006 (GMT)

Oh, Star. Naive, naive Star. Pacitalian police cars have cameras on the front bumper that take pictures of the back of the vehicle - then they upload the image to the police station. :) (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 17:11, 2 April 2006 (GMT)

It was the witness situation Kedalfax mentions that I was referring to, unless Pacitalia has more police on the streets than even, um, Starblaydia ;) - Star Talk. 18:43, 2 April 2006 (GMT)

Well, I have just made my own plates, which can be seen by going to my nation page and clicking on each province. But, man, mine are only a K plus 6 to 7 numbers. What if a witness is trying to see the plates of a car that's driving away? I also went through the airports list, and as you can see alot were missing or conflicting. After 3 nations I gave up moving them. It is a wiki, so anyone may help.(Hint,hint)Kedalfax 17:20, 2 April 2006 (GMT)

They don't need the whole licence plate number. They can just memorise the secondary number, or the first four digits of the primary number along with a description of the vehicle. Sillies. ;) (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 19:32, 2 April 2006 (GMT)

4 letter ISO codes

There are a number of nations which do not have 4 letter ISO codes, including some with only 2 letters (!). These should be remedied, as it is fairly well agreed that NS ISO codes have 4 letters.

The current violators are:

Antarctic Region AQ - ???

Anumia ADA - ??? ANUM?

Carocasia CAY - Doesn't even have a NSWiki page

Jey JEY - Interesting situation. EJEY for Empire of Jey?

Omigodtheykilledkenny KENN/KNNY - I don't think two is on

Qazox QZX - QAZX?

Schartlefritzen SCH - SCHA?

Sketch SKE - SKET?

Sober Thought ST - Bit greedy don't you think? SOTH?

The Federated Stars FSE

The Kazoo Peoples TKP

Ileou IEO - ILEO?

Spaam, please sign your comments and add new sections to the bottom of the talk page; thanks. I agree with you that some of those non-standard codes are annoying and don't make much sense, but I'm a bit hesitant about changing other people's codes. There's the same problem (to a lesser degree) with the sports' codes, incidentally. Perhaps we could italicise non-standard ones, and add alternatives used by the "international community"? But I'm afraid that would just look messy... Aridd 11:01, 21 July 2006 (GMT)

The Federated Stars ISO code is changed too FSSE. Sorry about the three letter one, dont know why I didn't see that befor. --Windscar 09:03, 30 September 2006 (GMT)

Changed every last non-standard code to a standard one. now to update the "by Code" section --swilatia 21:41, 7 October 2006 (GMT)

I disagree with this. There has been no consensus throughout NS that ISo codes are four letters long. You can RP non-recognition of codes, but the wiki should contain what each nation considers its code to be. Ceoran_ta 01:53, 8 October 2006 (GMT)

Mmm. Not happy about my currency code being changed without my consent. The aim is to have a unique code - with that one restriction I'd like to choose my own code. If it has to be four letters I would have chosen EBOL rather than ERBO for Errinundera. That way when we are forced to go to five letters I can have the viral EBOLA willd 3:50 (I think), 8 October 2006 (GMT)

I'd tend to agree with Ceorana. I used to get very annoyed when people had "incorrect" airport codes (usually with four letters instead of 3), but I listed them and let them be anyway. This list is for what each government considers to be its national codes. If a code doesn't fit unofficial international standards, your government can simply not recognise it, but if you change everything the entries become meaningless. (Ariddia doesn't recognise 4-letter airport codes, and changes them to 3-letter ones on baggage tags, but I haven't edited the list.) Aridd 15:07, 8 October 2006 (GMT)

ISO Standards in NS?

In the latest version by Swilatia, "The ISO Standard in NationStates is that codes should be four letters long;" It does? Where is the ISO Standard in Nationstates which says that nation codes must be four letters long? I know it is a trivial topic, but I feel Ceo was right to NPOV it, and I thought I'd say as much here rather than start an edit war. --Pantocratoria 17:03, 10 October 2006 (GMT)

well, i remember that thread with the ISO code registry, before the whole thing was moved to NSwiki. and it was ISO codes. and you may have misunderstood me. i was talking about ISO coes only, not nation codes in general. my idea was to just say that 3/2/5 letter codes are not ISO codes. --swilatia 23:29, 10 October 2006 (GMT)

Yes, but due to the free-form nature of NationStates, you can choose whatever you want for your ISO code. It's not like there's an ISO regulating it, and it's not like, even if there was, it would be able to achieve general consensus out of all the nations in NS. There's no "official" standard by the game, so we should probably just link to the thread and explain the situation using NPOv language. Ceoran_ta 01:31, 11 October 2006 (GMT)

i guess you areright ceo. i simply wanted to somehow mention how in that original thread it was 4 letters. --swilatia 22:19, 11 October 2006 (GMT)

NPOV Dispute

This article is supposed to document nation codes used by nations regardless of whether or not another nation uses the same code and nations should not be forced to change their codes specifically for this list. NSwiki is not a place to conduct RP, it is a place to document them, no matter if there are duplicate, triplicate or quadruplicate codes. The confusion is might create could be explained in dozens of ways. John 03:00, 23 January 2007 (GMT)

I understand that there is confusion about the rules but I fail to see how this is any kind of a dispute over neutrality. I did not say that NSwiki is a place to conduct RP, I said it's our call to manage this site just like it's the moderators' call to manage the forums. Please do not twist my words. (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 04:24, 23 January 2007 (GMT)

And we, as members of NSwiki, are saying that those codes should be documented. What's your point? Eisophca 05:02, 23 January 2007 (GMT)

My points are clearly stated above. Use the scrollbar. (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 07:20, 23 January 2007 (GMT)

I don't understand how it is NPOV either. A different term should definitely be used in this case. Entsteig 01:10, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

Well I don't know of any other ways to do that... but how is it neutral if the article "moderators" are deciding who gets what code. And how is "that's how it has always been" a valid argument. Sure we could stop human sacrifices but that's how its always been!! John 04:08, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

I agree that not listing duplicate codes is POV. There should just be a note in the list where there is a conflict (see User:Commerce Heights/Sandbox for an example, and notice the near-impossibility of eliminating all conflicts in the phone codes. —Commerce Heights (talk) 05:58, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

Just like Pacitalia, i fail to understand how not showing duplicate codes that are duplicating is POV. From where do you get the Idea that they are? --swilatia 12:33, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

Good work, CH, nice list - I did actually have an idea where there would be a few seconds delay so that you could type in a code but there wouldn't be any code conflict.

For example, dialing your international country connection digits (i.e., 00), then 2 and then waiting three seconds would be a call to Pacitalia. Dialing 222 and then waiting three seconds would connect somewhere else. That's one way to solve that conflict; however, I stand firm in what I said before. Allow people to duplicate and triplicate codes makes no sense - this is one of those things that, since it doesn't make sense in real life, shouldn't be the opposite here. And "rebuttals" from TPM aren't really helping that side of the argument... (( Pacitalkia )) Time sent: 17:23, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

I'd tend to agree with Pacitalia. It makes no sense for the same telephone code, TLD, etc... to be effectively claimed and used by two or more countries. What we should do, in my view, is establish a policy by consensus. "First come, first served" would make sense in most cases, and we can contact users who have claimed a code that had already been claimed. Regarding the specific issue of phone codes - wow, they are a mess! Thanks, CH - one solution would be to say that, whenever one dials abroad, one dials that country's code, followed by a #, followed by the phone number. Problem solved? Aridd 17:57, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

That should be done on the forums. NSwiki is not a place to RP, it's a place to document. Eisophca 01:34, 25 January 2007 (GMT)

Commerce Heights' idea seems to be the most agreeable to me. John 22:06, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

Agreed.--Ked|talk|fax 19:53, 11 February 2007 (GMT)

Yes, too, I agree. It would be good to implement it soon, methinks. --Germanalasia 20:51, 17 March 2007 (GMT)

We don't need such a fat section about conflicts, or notes about conflicts with RL. Therefore, I oppose Commerce Heights's idea. --swilatia 21:31, 17 March 2007 (GMT)

In what way is it "fat"? I think displays the information about conflicts quite concisely, without encouraging them to be changed. As for the conflict with R.L. notes, it seems logically to me that they should be included, but if necessary I suppose they could be moved to a separate column... Additionally, the introduction of a monospaced font for the code, the 'cleaner' borders, and the table headings make the information easier on the eye and clearer to read, methinks... --Germanalasia 14:35, 18 March 2007 (GMT)

International Currencies

A question has come up in the Simtropolis region about how to sort their new regional currency, the Simoleon. I suggested having one entry for the Simoleon, as it is now. The Digital Network said that each nation should be listed individually. So I thought I'd ask what the community thought.--Kedalfax 22:45, 22 February 2007 (GMT)

Don't Know really. I'd go with listing it just once, and placing "Simtropolis", or "Simtropolis Nations" where the nation should go. Personally, I would change the format so the currency goes before the country, but switching this now might take some time. --swilatia 01:11, 9 March 2007 (GMT)